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#20351 - 08/27/04 09:29 AM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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When Lee was training in Hong Kong he was a child.

No older than mid teens when his "street fights" took place.

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#20352 - 08/27/04 09:30 AM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by whitelotusfist:
Did bruce lee ever fight in the ring, i heard he may have fought some full contact matches in hong kong, late 60's or in 1970. Cant remember the exaxt details now.
Anyone heard this?

[/QUOTE]

He never fought in the ring. He does have some full contact fights under his belt though, as told from those who witneseed them. Now when he was younger and mixed up with gangs they used to get on hong kong rooftops and go all out, with certain rules in place of course. This was before he came to america, though...I'd say about 1940's--1950's. They were just kids then.

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#20353 - 08/27/04 12:46 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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did he ever enter any semi contact or points sparring comps?
Cheers WLF

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#20354 - 08/27/04 01:08 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chen Zen:
Exactly my point. And for the record, no I would not train under someone I can beat. If I can beat you its because your technique is flawed and I do not intend to add flawed technique to my training regimen.[/QUOTE]

Chen, this is surpisingly one demensional thinking coming from you. What if the reason you are able to "beat" me is simply because I am aging? There is a paradox here. Do you think that a 17 year old Bruce Lee thought the same about the elderly Yip Man? There is a point, and this is inescapable for each of us, that our insights and understanding begins to eclipse our physical ability.

- KiDoHae [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif[/IMG]

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#20355 - 08/27/04 01:24 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by whitelotusfist:
did he ever enter any semi contact or points sparring comps?
Cheers WLF
[/QUOTE]

No and no.

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#20356 - 08/27/04 06:49 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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This is all irrelevant considering that Bruce Lee is no longer among the living.
Who cares whether or not he could or could not fight it doesn't apply to us.
We can't prove anything anyway. Who nows who he fought, like everyone has said a bunch of times theres no record of it, I mean I read that he beat the crap out of chuck Norris but does that make it true? No, so who really cares.

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#20357 - 08/27/04 07:43 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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I never heard that he beat chuck Norris but chuck norris has said that they used to spar quite regularly, the validity of this claim, who knows. Bruce Lee was a philosopher who raised some good points about body mechanics, training, conditioning, and stealing from other styles. He had some good ideas. He's not alive to teach his fighting style to anyone anymore so what's the difference. If you take jeet kune do or Jun Fan you are learning someone elses interpretation of what Bruce Lee intended anyway. The same as any martial art. What matters is how good is your teacher, and how hard do you train. At present I train with someone that I may or may not be able to beat, but everyday he teaches me something that I find valuable to my style, not his style, mine. Steal as many candies as you can children and then someday you may find a box!

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#20358 - 08/28/04 02:14 AM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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quote :its extremely rare, be good at fighting without fighting.


just because its rare doesnt mean it wont happen people werent supposed to be as smart as eignenstien but he was real beasides M.A. isnt for fighting you inbred hicks its a frame of mind like when you go to boot camp they tear you down phisycly and emotionally and basicly rebuild you from the ground up so hardwork+hard thought= what intellegent people call a higher state of thinking so you dont even have to fight...........beasides JKD was made to adapt in any fighting situation like water in a glass the water addapts to the glass not the oter way around.

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#20359 - 08/28/04 04:53 AM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
MuayThai Offline
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Registered: 08/20/03
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ghosteo4:
quote :its extremely rare, be good at fighting without fighting.


just because its rare doesnt mean it wont happen people werent supposed to be as smart as eignenstien but he was real beasides M.A. isnt for fighting you inbred hicks its a frame of mind like when you go to boot camp they tear you down phisycly and emotionally and basicly rebuild you from the ground up so hardwork+hard thought= what intellegent people call a higher state of thinking so you dont even have to fight...........beasides JKD was made to adapt in any fighting situation like water in a glass the water addapts to the glass not the oter way around.
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Martial Arts isnt for fighting you inbred hicks? lol. Ok just like learning alanguage isnt for speaking...

...what crap are you on about? Martial Arts was created by people to defend themselves and attack! I mean Whenever someone throws a punch to another human does that mean they are fighting.

Frame of mind. Ok if thats why you do Martial Arts then good for you. Maybe you should take up knitting!

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#20360 - 08/28/04 02:10 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
Chen Zen Offline
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Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 7043
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by KiDoHae:
Chen, this is surpisingly one demensional thinking coming from you. What if the reason you are able to "beat" me is simply because I am aging? There is a paradox here. Do you think that a 17 year old Bruce Lee thought the same about the elderly Yip Man? There is a point, and this is inescapable for each of us, that our insights and understanding begins to eclipse our physical ability.

- KiDoHae [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif[/IMG]

[/QUOTE]

An old post that I have grown beyond. However, Let me say this: If I walk into a dojo and there is an instructor around my age and physical health, and I beat him easily, how could I not blame his technique? Be it his footwork, timing, striking or defense, its all technical ability. Sure I have an avantage over a senior martial artist in my strength but he has an advantage in skill. or should. I believe that skill overrides power. Power without proper skill is nothing, whereas skill alone can mean everything.

Besides that I have grown beyond the need for instruction, as I do not believe in one WAY. There is no complete system so why have an instructor who would teach me something incomplete? Thats not to say that I wont spend a little time with skilled practitioners to learn certain aspects of fighting that I feel are a good contribution to my own, but this amount of time doesnt constitute me being called their "Student".

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