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#202895 - 11/13/05 10:37 AM Re: Kungfu works [Re: butterfly]
Supremor Offline
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Registered: 07/22/04
Posts: 2510
Loc: UK


Woah! Please put some capitals, clear sentences and some paragraph breaks in your posts.

Reading what you just wrote is like looking at the ingredients list on a bottle of cleaing solution.


Yes, my eyes hurt

#202896 - 11/14/05 06:31 AM Re: Kungfu works [Re: Supremor]
BaguaMonk Offline

Registered: 12/18/04
Posts: 404
Yes it can work. As many of us have said, its all about the person it molds you into, and wether your able to react naturally in a fight-or flight (freeze) situation. Its not about the pre-set techniques embedded into your muscle memory, its about being natural and calm (being able to react).
Truth comes from the absolute stillness of the mind...

#202897 - 11/24/05 02:32 PM Re: Kungfu works [Re: Supremor]
etaks86 Offline

Registered: 04/14/05
Posts: 161
perhaps you two just are not good readers. i had no problem reading it but that's just me. but it seems you used my bad writting as an excuse to pay no attention to the importantance of my post and well that's sad. so i wish you all the best and hope that tma's work for you.

#202898 - 11/27/05 02:43 PM Re: Kungfu works [Re: etaks86]
trevek Offline
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Registered: 05/15/05
Posts: 3337
Loc: Poland
Of course you could read it, you knew what was in it!

I thought it interesting but I too found it hard to read. I have to teach students to use paragraphs etc and one of the reasons is just that.

Don't forget, these are only small letters.
See how well I block your punches with my jaw!!

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#202899 - 11/27/05 02:56 PM Re: Kungfu works [Re: etaks86]
trevek Offline
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I don't understand why you have this idea that TMA never change. If you look at the continuing amount of 'new' styles in Karate, KF, TKD, JJ et al then it is obvious such things are evolving. Even if you look at old photos of things like Shotokan or Judo, you find that stances and positions have changed over 50 years.

Low stances have their uses but you need to know when to use them. If you have just thrown someone and his mate comes for you, you might find yourself needing to adopt a low based stance (for instance).

The thing is many of the arts we now practice have been stripped down and simplified and now people are trying to find out things that have been lost because of the stripping down. In many cases this is where cross-training comes in, trying to fill in gaps which a system may have once had.

Finally, it is not a case of tailoring an art for SD, it is about training in that art with SD in mind.
See how well I block your punches with my jaw!!

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#202900 - 11/27/05 10:27 PM Re: Kungfu works [Re: syntrax]
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Registered: 09/06/05
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Many people in my high school say that kung-fu and karate doesnt work

Equally many people came and challenged my old Sifu[now deceased], all left with a sore limb.

Seriously, is there no one out there that believes that Gong-fu can injure people?

As for Karate, I personally have had the breath punched outta me. One punch, and I do have a strong Abdomen, and I was down. Imagine a MT guy on the floor trying to breath. That's what happened to me.

-Taison out
I got two fists.. Don't make me use my head as well!

#202901 - 11/28/05 03:34 AM Re: Kungfu works [Re: Taison]
phoenixsflame Offline

Registered: 11/12/05
Posts: 402
Loc: Chicago, Illinois
I've practiced both Gung-Fu/Kung-Fu/Gong-Fu (truthfully, I'm not sure how to spell it. So uhm... Whichever one! Heh.)and Karate.

I can honestly say both work equally well.

As my previous Sifu said. "A living thing must adapt and change, grow and shed dead cells. This is the same with martial arts."

A traditional martial art, Gung-Fu, Baqua, Tai-Qi, Karate... All of these things have evolved from one thing to another. They didn't just appear out of no where... Shira-Te and Naha-te are just two of the fighting stylings that created Karate... I don't know the background of the Chinese arts but I know they didn't just appear.

And I agree Etak, please break up the paragraph a little. Its helps to get your point across if you give it a professional or at least cleaner appearance. Makes it much easier for the person to read, and understand.

I think the people who say that TMA's don't work are the ones who don't understand the basis of their function isn't to suddenly become a fighting machine after 5 months... But, some people won't be happy with that.

Thats why there are McDojo's.
While everything changes, nothing is truly lost.

#202902 - 11/28/05 05:52 PM Re: Kungfu works [Re: syntrax]
cxt Offline
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Registered: 09/11/03
Posts: 5844
Loc: USA

Many people in high school say all kinds of stupid and ignorant things.

Mainly because they are still in high school--not the most stable of times if memory serves.

Its as good a time as any however to decide to do things you enjoy despite what the crowd "says."

Does karate and kung fu work?

Of course they do--unless you run into someone better.

Edited by cxt (11/28/05 05:53 PM)
I did battle with ignorance today.......and ignorance won. Huey.

#202903 - 11/29/05 03:19 AM Re: Kungfu works [Re: cxt]
trevek Offline
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Registered: 05/15/05
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Loc: Poland
If they're better and they also do KF/Karate then can we say KF/Karate don't work?
See how well I block your punches with my jaw!!

Supporting everyone saying "nuts to cancer"

#202904 - 11/29/05 11:07 AM Re: Kungfu works [Re: syntrax]
imcrazy Offline
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Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 492
Loc: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Many people in my high school say that kung-fu and karate doesnt work and they are all lies

Here is a general statement that any ignorant person will say about any martial art, or even anything else that they don't have a clue about. Its just talk, and as they say talk is cheap. Just ignore it.

These type of statements will also be made by ignorant practitioners of different arts that feel your art is inferior because of their own ignorance of it. You can try to argue with these people but most of the time it will be impossible to get across to them b/c they have convinced themselves that they are right and you are wrong. Usually its better to leave it. After all you shouldn't be taking your art to impress people, but for your own personal development and enjoyment. In other words it really doesn't matter what they think and say as it should have no effect on you or your training and only shows their inability to accept the world around them, and learn new things. In the end they are the only ones losing.
The greatest learning and understanding is found in hardship.

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