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#201818 - 11/30/05 07:20 PM Re: can TKD be used to take on mutiple attackers? [Re: BrianS]
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I wan't told this by anyone. It's just my personal opinion. I was trying to make the point that pressure point techiques will give you a much better chance. Taking someone out with one blow is much more efficent than trying to knock them are via kick/punches to the head.

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#201819 - 11/30/05 07:32 PM Re: can TKD be used to take on mutiple attackers? [Re: Yaze]
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It would be risky too take on multiple attackers, because if one of them grabs your leg, your're screwed!

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#201820 - 11/30/05 07:37 PM Re: can TKD be used to take on mutiple attackers? [Re: Alex89]
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It would be risky too take on multiple attackers, because if one of them grabs your leg, your're screwed!




It's risky taking on multiple attackers period, no matter what art you train in.

Never mind that, no matter how good or how long you've been training, its risky taking on one attacker. You never know the circumstances until your in them.

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#201821 - 11/30/05 07:39 PM Re: can TKD be used to take on mutiple attackers? [Re: Christie]
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It would be risky too take on multiple attackers, because if one of them grabs your leg, your're screwed!




It's risky taking on multiple attackers period, no matter what art you train in.

Never mind that, no matter how good or how long you've been training, its risky taking on one attacker. You never know the circumstances until your in them.




No offense but it's really dissapointing to see practitioners doubt their own abilities agianst a single attacker.

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#201822 - 11/30/05 07:44 PM Re: can TKD be used to take on mutiple attackers? [Re: LameDojoHater]
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It would be risky too take on multiple attackers, because if one of them grabs your leg, your're screwed!




It's risky taking on multiple attackers period, no matter what art you train in.

Never mind that, no matter how good or how long you've been training, its risky taking on one attacker. You never know the circumstances until your in them.




No offense but it's really dissapointing to see practitioners doubt their own abilities agianst a single attacker.




I'm not doubting my ability, I'm being realistic. Over confidence can end you in places you do not want to be.

I am confident I can adequately defend myself, but I do not walk into the situation with the mindset that I can and will take anybody who attacks me no matter what.

You never know if they are high on drugs, if they take steroids, if they are drunk, if they have a concealed weapon, what their intention is to begin with etc. etc. until you are faced with the situation.

It is extremely naive to think you can take any untrained person anywhere no matter what all the time.

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#201823 - 11/30/05 07:54 PM Re: can TKD be used to take on mutiple attackers? [Re: Christie]
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It would be risky too take on multiple attackers, because if one of them grabs your leg, your're screwed!




It's risky taking on multiple attackers period, no matter what art you train in.

Never mind that, no matter how good or how long you've been training, its risky taking on one attacker. You never know the circumstances until your in them.




No offense but it's really dissapointing to see practitioners doubt their own abilities agianst a single attacker.




I'm not doubting my ability, I'm being realistic. Over confidence can end you in places you do not want to be.

I am confident I can adequately defend myself, but I do not walk into the situation with the mindset that I can and will take anybody who attacks me no matter what.

You never know if they are high on drugs, if they take steroids, if they are drunk, if they have a concealed weapon, what their intention is to begin with etc. etc. until you are faced with the situation.

It is extremely naive to think you can take any untrained person anywhere no matter what all the time.




This was years and years ago, but in the fourth grade I beat up a sixth grader because he was picking on all the fourth graders. I didn't want to take any of his crap and told him to F off. I nailed him in the head with a roundhouse kick. He then tried to grapple me, but I dug my thumb into his voicebox. By the end of it the teacher took him to the priciples office. He had blood in his teeth and was coughing badly. This was over ten years ago, but the guy was twice my size and I won.

Oh yeah, and you'll never get into a bar brawl unless you hang around the bad side of town.

Edit: Martial Arts were designed to be able to take on any average joe, and even multiple attackers. To say that you can't do any of this things is contradictory to the main point of TKD. And please nobody say that it's to stay healthy, and teach values. Sport style TKD is a bastadization of what REAL TKD should be. This is part of the reason why Muiy Tae is gaining ground agianst TKD. A Muiy Tae guy would probably beat most TKD people. (Except for the TKD guys that train seriously by stretching, working out, and full contact sparring a lot.)


Edited by LameDojoHater (11/30/05 08:03 PM)

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#201824 - 11/30/05 07:58 PM Re: can TKD be used to take on mutiple attackers? [Re: LameDojoHater]
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It would be risky too take on multiple attackers, because if one of them grabs your leg, your're screwed!




It's risky taking on multiple attackers period, no matter what art you train in.

Never mind that, no matter how good or how long you've been training, its risky taking on one attacker. You never know the circumstances until your in them.




No offense but it's really dissapointing to see practitioners doubt their own abilities agianst a single attacker.




I'm not doubting my ability, I'm being realistic. Over confidence can end you in places you do not want to be.

I am confident I can adequately defend myself, but I do not walk into the situation with the mindset that I can and will take anybody who attacks me no matter what.

You never know if they are high on drugs, if they take steroids, if they are drunk, if they have a concealed weapon, what their intention is to begin with etc. etc. until you are faced with the situation.

It is extremely naive to think you can take any untrained person anywhere no matter what all the time.




This was years and years ago, but in the fourth grade I beat up a sixth grader because he was picking on all the fourth graders. I didn't want to take any of his crap and told him to F off. I nailed him in the head with a roundhouse kick. He then tried to grapple me, but I dug my thumb into his voicebox. By the end of it the teacher took him to the priciples office. He had blood in his teeth and was coughing badly. This was over ten years ago, but the guy was twice my size and I won.

Oh yeah, and you'll never get into a bar brawl unless you hang around the bad side of town.




That is completely irrelevant, your counter argument proves nothing.

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#201825 - 11/30/05 08:13 PM Re: can TKD be used to take on mutiple attackers? [Re: Christie]
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While you were posting I edited my last post.

Oh and the point of that was to show that you CAN take on a guy twice your size with MA. Notice my SN? It says it all. I hate BBs that can't even perform sidekicks correctly or hold a decent front stance. People that are so slow at kicking, and don't know proper punching technique is sad. It's worse when you have a bad BB teach, because all the other students pick up his sloppyness. If you only show up to class for three years and don't stretch/workout/practice you shouldn't have a BB.

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#201826 - 11/30/05 08:23 PM Re: can TKD be used to take on mutiple attackers? [Re: LameDojoHater]
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Martial Arts were designed to be able to take on any average joe, and even multiple attackers. To say that you can't do any of this things is contradictory to the main point of TKD.




Yes that is true, I never said that you "can't" do any of these things I said it is an incorrect assumption to say that you can do it flawlessly every single time. Sometimes you don't know the person has a weapon until it's pointed at the back of your head or up against your throat. Never underestimate a person high on drugs. Somebody who is drunk can be very violent, have you trained against someone flailing violently with no consideration for their own saftey. Somebody who is under the influence, high on drugs or even just emotionally driven is not going to have a regular threashold of pain, they will not go down as easily as someone who is drug free, sober and weaponless. Now let's multiply all of that and add a few more attackers into the picture. You don't know what they are on, you don't know what their reason is, you don't know who has, what they have and if they have weapons. There are far too many factors to say you can and will always succeed in defending yourself no matter where you are. Martial arts is meant to give you that extra chance of survival, to enable you to fight adequately (and more often then not) for your life. But it is not the final solution, it is just the extra point on your side to aide in your success.

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And please nobody say that it's to stay healthy, and teach values. Sport style TKD is a bastadization of what REAL TKD should be. This is part of the reason why Muiy Tae is gaining ground agianst TKD. A Muiy Tae guy would probably beat most TKD people. (Except for the TKD guys that train seriously by stretching, working out, and full contact sparring a lot.)




Irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

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#201827 - 11/30/05 08:26 PM Re: can TKD be used to take on mutiple attackers? [Re: LameDojoHater]
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]Oh and the point of that was to show that you CAN take on a guy twice your size with MA.




It's irrelevant when your example is of children only half way through elementary school, not to mention your actions were not one of a true martial artist (though you were young and did not know any better).

I also never said it was impossible to take on and win against someone twice your size. Technique through training will always be more important then size and strength... but size and strength will always be a factor.

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