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#201447 - 06/03/09 01:44 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: acktkdkenpotsk]
acktkdkenpotsk Offline
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Registered: 05/31/09
Posts: 7
Amazing how confused and wrong so many people are about TSK.
I like reading the comments though, I find them hilarious.

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#201448 - 06/03/09 02:15 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: acktkdkenpotsk]
JasonM Offline
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hhmm, only two post and nothing productive. Do you want to contribute to the site or get the boot?
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#201449 - 06/03/09 02:18 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: acktkdkenpotsk]
IExcalibui2 Offline
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Registered: 05/20/06
Posts: 961
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Quote:

Amazing how confused and wrong so many people are about TSK.
I like reading the comments though, I find them hilarious.



mind filling us in on the 411 then?
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#201450 - 06/03/09 06:23 PM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: acktkdkenpotsk]
VDJ Offline
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Quote:

Amazing how confused and wrong so many people are about TSK.
I like reading the comments though, I find them hilarious.




Now I looked thru the posts and other than JohnL being "Less than impressed",the posts were pretty positive of what they saw or were taught at TSK. The biggest negative posted is that they are pricey (and you have to buy all your gear from them). So what are we confused and wrong about ?

VDJ

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#201451 - 06/03/09 08:23 PM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: VDJ]
iaibear Offline
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Registered: 08/24/05
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Loc: upstate New York
Just went to TSK web site via Google. Did not research class prices. But the basic uniform is not all that far out of line/

<< Basic Student Uniform >>
White string-top pants, Black tee with logo #49.99

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#201452 - 06/04/09 01:26 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: VDJ]
acktkdkenpotsk Offline
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Registered: 05/31/09
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What are they confused about? Just about everything. It's not entirely anyone's fault. TSK has evolved over the years, and I understand the why of the confusion. However let's break it down:
There are multiple parts to a Martial Arts school
First, is it a style that falls under the "street" category, or the "Sport" Category. They all fall under one or the other.
Definition of Sport, "any rules whatsoever- not a street fight".
Second, the Business. The business end is always intertwined with the instruction to bash tsk, and that is a separate category all together, which I have no problem with.
3rd,Look at the venues of competition and you will see TSK in just about all of them. ROC,IFL,NAGA (where we out grapple the Gracie students 2 to 1)Cage fighting in AC, and the WKBO at The Capitale, or The Belator in AC where we have our probable first contender for the UFC about to fight for the championship. Lyman good just opened up his opponent in the last fight and is one fight away from the top.http://www.tsk.com/competition/teamnews/story.php?id=535
If anyone wants to hear the truth and have a civilized conversation, I'm all willing. I'm 42, have studied four styles starting 32 years ago in 1976, and i have BB's in two of the styles. I don't say this in any way to brag, simply to impress upon anyone, that I have seen the evolution of Karate in this country, I have lived it, and I have open-minded, objective feelings about it.
From NAGA:
Northeast Groundfighting Championship
*Results are not yet official
ADULT NO-GI TEAM WINNERS KIDS & TEENS TEAM WINNERS
1st Place TSMMA 1870 1st Place TSMMA 1710
2nd Place West Point 580 2nd Place Lloyd Irvin 1400
3rd Place Jerry Jones/Impulse MMA 510 3rd Place Jerry Jones/Impulse MMA 970
4th Place Renzo Gracie 490 4th Place Advanced MA 510
5th Place K Dojo 380 5th Place Budo 400
6th Place Jersey Fight Club 220 6th Place End Game 300
7th Place Underdog BJJ 210 7th Place North NY Judo 250
TIE Daddis 210 8th Place Team Yemen 210
9th Place End Game 190 9th Place Jersey Shore MMA 200
10th Place Main Street Gym 160 TIE Drago 200
TIE Advanced Fighting Systems 160 Honorable Mention Amer Kick 170
Honorable Mention Rat Pack 140 Honorable Mention Renzo Gracie 160
Honorable Mention Pedro Sauer 140 Honorable Mention Black Dragon 160
Honorable Mention Champions Gym 140 Honorable Mention Team Fiona 140
Honorable Mention Ultimate MMA 130 Honorable Mention Jungle Gym 140
Honorable Mention Team Pereira 120 Honorable Mention Baltimore MMA 140
Honorable Mention Red Boy Scarola 120 Honorable Mention LA Boxing 120
Honorable Mention Grappler's Guild 120 Honorable Mention Hart to Hart Fitness 120
Honorable Mention Codella Acad. 120 Honorable Mention Tetsushin 100
Honorable Mention American Sambo 120 Honorable Mention Spartan 90
Honorable Mention Parker Palace 110 Honorable Mention Pit Bull 90
Honorable Mention Taurus MMA 100 Honorable Mention Pellegrino MMA 90
Honorable Mention Royce Gracie 90 Honorable Mention Balance Studios 90
Honorable Mention Rhino Fight Team 90 Honorable Mention Oxyfit 70
Honorable Mention Lloyd Irvin 90 Honorable Mention Delima 70
Honorable Mention Guerrero 90 Honorable Mention BJJ United 70
Honorable Mention Budo 90 Honorable Mention BJJ Shore Acad. 70
Honorable Mention 10th Planet 90 Honorable Mention Team Buds 50
Honorable Mention Balance 80 Honorable Mention PSM 50
Honorable Mention Argyros Sports BJJ 80 Honorable Mention Fighting Dragons MMA 50
Honorable Mention Spartan Fitness 70 Honorable Mention De la Pena 50
Honorable Mention Oliveira

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#201453 - 06/04/09 02:01 PM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: acktkdkenpotsk]
IExcalibui2 Offline
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Registered: 05/20/06
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are we reading the same thread?

I thought there were POSITIVE reviews on the quality of instruction??
only bad thing anyone really said was that it is expensive
I don't think we're all that confused...
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#201454 - 06/04/09 02:44 PM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: IExcalibui2]
MattJ Offline
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One of Bullshido's admins trained TSK, and had good things to say about the training - but he didn't care for the business orientation.

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=588
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#201455 - 06/04/09 03:46 PM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: acktkdkenpotsk]
VDJ Offline
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Registered: 05/09/05
Posts: 1674
Quote:

What are they confused about? Just about everything. It's not entirely anyone's fault. TSK has evolved over the years, and I understand the why of the confusion. However let's break it down:
There are multiple parts to a Martial Arts school
First, is it a style that falls under the "street" category, or the "Sport" Category. They all fall under one or the other.
Definition of Sport, "any rules whatsoever- not a street fight".
Second, the Business. The business end is always intertwined with the instruction to bash tsk, and that is a separate category all together, which I have no problem with.
3rd,Look at the venues of competition and you will see TSK in just about all of them. ROC,IFL,NAGA (where we out grapple the Gracie students 2 to 1)Cage fighting in AC, and the WKBO at The Capitale, or The Belator in AC where we have our probable first contender for the UFC about to fight for the championship. Lyman good just opened up his opponent in the last fight and is one fight away from the top.http://www.tsk.com/competition/teamnews/story.php?id=535
If anyone wants to hear the truth and have a civilized conversation, I'm all willing. I'm 42, have studied four styles starting 32 years ago in 1976, and i have BB's in two of the styles. I don't say this in any way to brag, simply to impress upon anyone, that I have seen the evolution of Karate in this country, I have lived it, and I have open-minded, objective feelings about it.
From NAGA:
Northeast Groundfighting Championship
*Results are not yet official
ADULT NO-GI TEAM WINNERS KIDS & TEENS TEAM WINNERS
1st Place TSMMA 1870 1st Place TSMMA 1710
2nd Place West Point 580 2nd Place Lloyd Irvin 1400
3rd Place Jerry Jones/Impulse MMA 510 3rd Place Jerry Jones/Impulse MMA 970
4th Place Renzo Gracie 490 4th Place Advanced MA 510
5th Place K Dojo 380 5th Place Budo 400
6th Place Jersey Fight Club 220 6th Place End Game 300
7th Place Underdog BJJ 210 7th Place North NY Judo 250
TIE Daddis 210 8th Place Team Yemen 210
9th Place End Game 190 9th Place Jersey Shore MMA 200
10th Place Main Street Gym 160 TIE Drago 200
TIE Advanced Fighting Systems 160 Honorable Mention Amer Kick 170
Honorable Mention Rat Pack 140 Honorable Mention Renzo Gracie 160
Honorable Mention Pedro Sauer 140 Honorable Mention Black Dragon 160
Honorable Mention Champions Gym 140 Honorable Mention Team Fiona 140
Honorable Mention Ultimate MMA 130 Honorable Mention Jungle Gym 140
Honorable Mention Team Pereira 120 Honorable Mention Baltimore MMA 140
Honorable Mention Red Boy Scarola 120 Honorable Mention LA Boxing 120
Honorable Mention Grappler's Guild 120 Honorable Mention Hart to Hart Fitness 120
Honorable Mention Codella Acad. 120 Honorable Mention Tetsushin 100
Honorable Mention American Sambo 120 Honorable Mention Spartan 90
Honorable Mention Parker Palace 110 Honorable Mention Pit Bull 90
Honorable Mention Taurus MMA 100 Honorable Mention Pellegrino MMA 90
Honorable Mention Royce Gracie 90 Honorable Mention Balance Studios 90
Honorable Mention Rhino Fight Team 90 Honorable Mention Oxyfit 70
Honorable Mention Lloyd Irvin 90 Honorable Mention Delima 70
Honorable Mention Guerrero 90 Honorable Mention BJJ United 70
Honorable Mention Budo 90 Honorable Mention BJJ Shore Acad. 70
Honorable Mention 10th Planet 90 Honorable Mention Team Buds 50
Honorable Mention Balance 80 Honorable Mention PSM 50
Honorable Mention Argyros Sports BJJ 80 Honorable Mention Fighting Dragons MMA 50
Honorable Mention Spartan Fitness 70 Honorable Mention De la Pena 50
Honorable Mention Oliveira




And just where in this thread is ANY MENTION of this (other than your posts) or negative or bashing comments???????????? I think the confused one is you!!!!!!!! Congrats to all the above mentioned competitors for job well done. Still, it doesn't look like anybody on this board is confused except for the quoted poster!


VDJ

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#201456 - 06/04/09 05:18 PM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: acktkdkenpotsk]
Kimo2007 Offline
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Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 1057
Quote:

(where we out grapple the Gracie students 2 to 1)




This doesn't really help you case. I have no idea the basis or truth of it, but I am always leery of anyone who feels the need to read me their resume, or make claims we cannot verify.

Are you saying your school produces better grapplers then the Gracies?

I am actually undefeated against TSK fighters. That is a fact. Now, I have only fought the one, and I guess he didn't realize how much closer his groin was to me then my head to him. He was from Europe so maybe it was a metric thing:)

Seriously your post seems a bit Kobra Kai, first you tell everyone how in the dark they are, even though no one called out TSK schools expect for maybe the cost. Then you post this huge resume.

Are you telling or selling?
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