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#201467 - 06/06/09 11:10 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: ITFunity]
VDJ Offline
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Registered: 05/09/05
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"As far as TSK I remember that some years back the NYS Attorney General's office did a big statewide probe into problems with their business model which took some type of advantage of the consumer. The NYSAG is among many things, tasked with consumer protection. You may want to contact them to see what their investigation entailed & how it might affect a potential customer today. These things are a matter of public record. I post no specifics as I do not remember them & direct the reader to look into it as they see fit."

I don't remember anything about this, but I do remember them winning a BIG court case for ALL martial art schools when I believe it was a joint thing with PA & NJ wanting them to be categorized as a "Health Club" rather than a Martial Arts School, where they would be required to carry a different type of business insurance that was way more expensive, this then would have been applied to all MA schools. Fortunately the courts ruled in their favor!

VDJ

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#201468 - 06/06/09 05:12 PM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: VDJ]
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"As far as TSK I remember that some years back the NYS Attorney General's office did a big statewide probe into problems with their business model which took some type of advantage of the consumer. The NYSAG is among many things, tasked with consumer protection. You may want to contact them to see what their investigation entailed & how it might affect a potential customer today. These things are a matter of public record. I post no specifics as I do not remember them & direct the reader to look into it as they see fit."

I don't remember anything about this, but I do remember them winning a BIG court case for ALL martial art schools when I believe it was a joint thing with PA & NJ wanting them to be categorized as a "Health Club" rather than a Martial Arts School, where they would be required to carry a different type of business insurance that was way more expensive, this then would have been applied to all MA schools. Fortunately the courts ruled in their favor! VDJ



Not that was not what I was thinking. I did find the info on their website. It was regarding deceptive business practices, where they were forced to make refunds, pay fines etc. See below link for more info if interested. They also make mention the Commonwealth of PA was investigating them as well:

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/media_center/2000/nov/nov27a_00.html

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#201469 - 06/06/09 10:43 PM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: Cord]
acktkdkenpotsk Offline
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Nobody asked you any questions, and any retort you offer will not change an opinion held widely in the MA community that franchised Martial arts, where membership sales and retention are as, if not more, important than the art being taught, are to be treated with suspicion.




Great. Thanks for your input.
Adios!

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#201470 - 06/07/09 02:44 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: acktkdkenpotsk]
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Some people join here to talk about martial arts, some to make friends.

Others purely join to promote their school, caring little for the wider possibilities of the site.

I train in savate - plenty here wouldn't want to train in an art that interests me, but as I am not hellbent on pimping savate on the world, it does not cause me any problems with others on here.

Your attitude shows your motives for joining here, as does your decision to leave.

Enjoy your school, as others enjoy theirs.
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#201471 - 06/07/09 10:09 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: Cord]
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Cord, you are too nice (wait did I just say that?). 7 posts, where the first post insults the forum members, and the last post dismisses them.

Sorry if he can't deal with the fact that this forum will both, hold a person accountable for their posts in an honest way and answer a question when it is asked.

No one here ever said TSK was a joke or bad, they just said it was a franchise and a large business (which it is) and they questioned the cost benefit VS. other smaller schools.

All viable points and all from what I can tell based on experience.

As a TSK student, he could could have done his school a service by exchanging ideas on a forum like this, instead all he did is reinforce the sense most MA's have about the school.

Well done!
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#201472 - 06/07/09 11:40 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: Kimo2007]
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Cord, you are too nice (wait did I just say that?). 7 posts, where the first post insults the forum members, and the last post dismisses them.




Sometimes, when being accused of ignorant/unreasonable attitude, the best thing to do is not prove the accuser right in your defence

Dont worry, I will be back to normal in a couple of threads time
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#201473 - 06/07/09 09:58 PM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: Kimo2007]
VDJ Offline
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Cord, you are too nice (wait did I just say that?). 7 posts, where the first post insults the forum members, and the last post dismisses them.

Sorry if he can't deal with the fact that this forum will both, hold a person accountable for their posts in an honest way and answer a question when it is asked.

No one here ever said TSK was a joke or bad, they just said it was a franchise and a large business (which it is) and they questioned the cost benefit VS. other smaller schools.

All viable points and all from what I can tell based on experience.

As a TSK student, he could could have done his school a service by exchanging ideas on a forum like this, instead all he did is reinforce the sense most MA's have about the school.

Well done!




Agree 100%! We had the same reaction on the Mong Su Dom Tai Chinese Karate thread. Some very valid questions were asked which received some very vague answers and then we are called "Small Minded"

VDJ


Edited by VDJ (06/07/09 09:59 PM)

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#201474 - 06/09/09 02:03 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: VDJ]
Ames Offline
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Registered: 05/29/05
Posts: 1117
Honestly, I think everyone here is being too nice. This franchise seems like a chain of Mcdojo's. They fit the definition to a 't', and it's as simple as that.

--Chris
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#201475 - 06/09/09 02:09 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: VDJ]
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Agree 100%! We had the same reaction on the Mong Su Dom Tai Chinese Karate thread. Some very valid questions were asked which received some very vague answers and then we are called "Small Minded"

VDJ




except we know what TSMMA teaches and we've even had people give estimate prices for a black belt..less of a mystery in this thread and more like someone just coming along and saying we're wrong

I don't think all branches of TSMMA are Mcdojos. Do they have a big focus on fee's? yea but doesnt mean their quality of teaching HAS to be bad.
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#201476 - 06/09/09 07:29 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: IExcalibui2]
VDJ Offline
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Registered: 05/09/05
Posts: 1671
Quote:

Quote:


Agree 100%! We had the same reaction on the Mong Su Dom Tai Chinese Karate thread. Some very valid questions were asked which received some very vague answers and then we are called "Small Minded"

VDJ




except we know what TSMMA teaches and we've even had people give estimate prices for a black belt..less of a mystery in this thread and more like someone just coming along and saying we're wrong

I don't think all branches of TSMMA are Mcdojos. Do they have a big focus on fee's? yea but doesnt mean their quality of teaching HAS to be bad.




Well I know this.From what I have seen, TSK is a far better quality than any ATA school I've ever walked into!

VDJ

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