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#201457 - 06/04/09 11:42 PM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: bradjacob]
acktkdkenpotsk Offline
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Registered: 05/31/09
Posts: 7
I would first decide for yourself what you are truly looking for. Getting in to shape? Learning how to kickbox and/or grapple, or do it all together. There are styles that emphasize street self defense i.e. Kenpo, as well as kick boxing, Kata's and some weapons. I seem to have accidentally insulted some people on this board, and have been called out to answer for it. So, if you want to learn more, please see my response on page 3 and possibly 4.

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#201458 - 06/05/09 12:10 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: IExcalibui2]
acktkdkenpotsk Offline
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I was asked why I felt people were taking shots at TSMMA. This was the 3rd board I found, and although it was the least offensive, I had already seen a lot of insulting mis-information. Anyway...
This is what I meant about some "confusion" on the board.


“A few friends of mine went in to look at one of them. The BB at the front desk could not describe what style of Karate they did nor could he explain where the art came from. He only was interested in discussing payment plans and contracts. Hpefully this info helps you make an educated decision.”-Rookie


“Perhaps if there is a problem with the Tiger Schulman studios, it is the problem that many franchises suffer from - quality control.”-mrhubbs

“I believe if you pay by the class the time you get your BB you would have spent well over $10,000.00”-schanne

“Schulmann made his mark doing knock down karate tournaments and was really good at it. His chain started with traditional martial arts which included KATA. Now his chain not only got rid of kata they actually make fun of it now.

doesnt make sense to [censored] where you used to eat and sleep. If you want to jump on the MMA bandwagon for more profits fine. It's a business and got to go with what is hot. But dont try to portray that the system NEVER was into kata or the traditional martial arts.”- Raul Perez

“I know the one on route 4 you mentioned. I went in one night to have a look and was unimpressed by the out of shape female black belt who greeted me and didn't know arthur from martha about martial arts. She knew nothing about her own style or others.

I saw the adult class and was less than impressed.

In addition, TS have a reputation for signing you up to long term contracts which you can't get out of, and then selling them to a collection agency.

Big problems.

To those of you that go there, what are your monthly bills like and what contract term did you sign up for.”
-JohnL

“you have to buy everything from them?

kinda sounds like Apple...”- IExcalibui2


Maybe you can see why I said people seem very confused, I could explain, because I understand why. In some cases people were reporting what someone else said! But as I said, Mea Culpa.
OUS!

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#201459 - 06/05/09 01:32 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: acktkdkenpotsk]
IExcalibui2 Offline
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well like most of us said, we're giving our criticisms about the BUSINESS aspect. Some people are willing to dish out massive amounts of a black belt, while others rather like to end up only paying a few hundred dollars over the years for one.

lets say we compare TSMMA to a school of equal quality
thousands of dollars vs hundreds...hmm, my wallet would say hundreds. But I'm just speaking for my wallet alone

so far you havent really shed any light on our "confusion." yea TSMMA has produced some good guys, that doesnt tell us that much
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#201460 - 06/05/09 04:41 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: acktkdkenpotsk]
Cord Offline
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Just an observation, but the comments you see as 'confused' are anything but. If you look at the quotes you have highlighted, they are all personal opinion, based on 1st hand experience. lots of 'I popped in', 'I watched' and 'I talked with'.

If the clubs in the franchise that were visited failed to make a positive impression on these people, the fault does not lie with the potential customer, it lies with the service provider, and how they present themselves.

That is the 1st rule of business - the end of line consumer of your product is the most important link in your chain.

Just because your product is an MA doesn't change that.

It's like a chef getting 8 plates of food returned to his kitchen, and rather than evaluating their quality, or revising the menu based on customer feedback, he comes out to the restaurant to criticise the diners for having ignorant tastebuds.

Gordon Ramsay is prone to this, and he has just had his business go into ruins.

Something to think about.
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#201461 - 06/05/09 11:28 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: Cord]
IExcalibui2 Offline
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Registered: 05/20/06
Posts: 961
Loc: New York City
Quote:

Gordon Ramsay is prone to this, and he has just had his business go into ruins.

Something to think about.



yet TSMMA still lives on? its an anomaly!
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#201462 - 06/05/09 01:21 PM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: IExcalibui2]
VDJ Offline
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Registered: 05/09/05
Posts: 1674
From your post above :

“I believe if you pay by the class the time you get your BB you would have spent well over $10,000.00”-schanne

What Schanne actually posted above:

"I believe if you pay by the class the time you get your BB you would have spent well over $10,000.00 if I'm wrong please correct me."

Now why would you leave the most important part of the quote out ? He wasn't forming an opinion on hear say, he was asking for confirmation on what he was told from someone in the know! your accusing people of being confused and making uninformed opinions, yet you are mis-quoting them to fit your belief. As is pointed out above, the experiences posted are first hand experiences of people actually going into on of the TKS studios, how do you know that these are not correct? Have you been to the Studio on mentioned above on Rt. 4 in N.J.? If not, how can you say that the poster is not accurate ? So again, your post proves nothing about a misconception or confusion of TSK on this forum, and I really wonder if the other boards are as confused as we are!?

VDJ

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#201463 - 06/06/09 02:01 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: VDJ]
acktkdkenpotsk Offline
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Registered: 05/31/09
Posts: 7
Since I type with 3 fingers, and refuse to become a slave to this board, I'll take these one at a time as you ask for them. To sit here and answer all of this feedback at once is a tedious chore. 1st question anyone?
I don't know how you can decide on who goes first, that's your decision.

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#201464 - 06/06/09 06:05 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: acktkdkenpotsk]
Cord Offline
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Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
Nobody asked you any questions, and any retort you offer will not change an opinion held widely in the MA community that franchised Martial arts, where membership sales and retention are as, if not more, important than the art being taught, are to be treated with suspicion.
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#201465 - 06/06/09 08:32 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: acktkdkenpotsk]
VDJ Offline
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Registered: 05/09/05
Posts: 1674
Quote:

Since I type with 3 fingers, and refuse to become a slave to this board, I'll take these one at a time as you ask for them. To sit here and answer all of this feedback at once is a tedious chore. 1st question anyone?
I don't know how you can decide on who goes first, that's your decision.




So you type with one more finger than I do. Why not answer my questions in my last post, which were only 2. Why did you not quote Schanne's enitire post and why do you think peoples first hand experiences have them confused?

VDJ

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#201466 - 06/06/09 10:29 AM Re: Tiger Shulman - Opinions, (info on...), Review [Re: bradjacob]
ITFunity Offline
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Registered: 07/15/06
Posts: 2053
I have not been in a TSK school in a long time. I would give the same generic advice I give to anyone seeking a MA school. Do your homework & visit all the schools in your area. Ask a lot of questions of both students, teachers, owner & parents if for your child. Don't sign anything until you have done your rounds at least 3x to each location. Then decide which school offers what you want & has the teacher who will best help you get there as evidenced by the current students there.

As far as TSK I remember that some years back the NYS Attorney General's office did a big statewide probe into problems with their business model which took some type of advantage of the consumer. The NYSAG is among many things, tasked with consumer protection. You may want to contact them to see what their investigation entailed & how it might affect a potential customer today. These things are a matter of public record. I post no specifics as I do not remember them & direct the reader to look into it as they see fit.

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