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#198450 - 10/28/05 05:21 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: thisguy]
Dereck Offline
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hey there big rod, im roughly the same size as the person that you are working with.




Maybe the thread should be renamed "THROWING THIS GUY".

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#198451 - 10/28/05 05:33 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: BigRod]
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you could try using (what we call in our dojo) the falling tree method. try to position yourself slightly away from your uke. then pull him onto you, instead of you coming to him. this way, he will bend forward over your hip as you pull him, giving him forward (and now downward) momentum, making the throw a (relative) doddle.

this is how we teach it in jujutsu anyway, and it works for a lot of our smaller students. try it, make it work for yourself. dunno if itll work in judo, never tried it on a judo proponent.
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#198452 - 10/28/05 06:00 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: RobNus]
BigRod Offline
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Registered: 02/10/05
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Loc: Atlanta, GA
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...pull him onto you, instead of you coming to him




Yeah, that's the way I'm being taught, it's just tough (for me) to throw people his size. Like I said, we're not even sparring, this is just sheer repetition of the mechanics of the throw.

Thanks for the advice guys!

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#198453 - 10/28/05 09:53 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: Dereck]
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sure.

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#198454 - 10/28/05 10:36 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: thisguy]
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Ditto to what RobNus said...

Push your uke and have him resist, not only will the throw be much easier-but it will be more realistic as well.

You can also try different ways of positioning your hands, if your Sensei will allow slight variations. Sometimes a few inches' change can add a lot to a throw...finding what works for you is important.

Good luck, I'm sure you'll get used to throwing this guy soon

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#198455 - 10/29/05 12:23 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: RobNus]
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you could try using (what we call in our dojo) the falling tree method. try to position yourself slightly away from your uke. then pull him onto you, instead of you coming to him. this way, he will bend forward over your hip as you pull him, giving him forward (and now downward) momentum, making the throw a (relative) doddle.

this is how we teach it in jujutsu anyway, and it works for a lot of our smaller students. try it, make it work for yourself. dunno if itll work in judo, never tried it on a judo proponent.




Judo guys in my experience train kuzushi a little more formally than most JJ guys and therefore, it takes a lot of trickery and cunning to get this to work properly on a competent opponent. It is do-able however, and probably the best thing to do.
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#198456 - 10/29/05 12:49 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: Leo_E_49]
Paranormalma Offline
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Registered: 06/28/05
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True, but I don't think he was talking about randori, as his uke isn't resisting.

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#198457 - 10/29/05 06:32 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: Paranormalma]
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If it is excecuted properly, his weight should make no difference. Judo is set in such a way that size makes little difference, if excecuted correctly. Perhaps you need to get the big guy mental block alot of people have, he may be big but I bet his blood is still red.
I advise to check your body alignment, ask him to resist a little, scream when you throw him. And get down to your basics, analyze it and see where you are going wrong.

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#198458 - 10/30/05 08:00 AM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: h2whoa]
BigRod Offline
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If it is excecuted properly, his weight should make no difference




Right...

I know I have a lot of progress to make in terms of tehnique and everything else, but you aren't honestly saying that weight and size makes no difference. It does.

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#198459 - 10/30/05 03:51 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: BigRod]
h2whoa Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

If it is excecuted properly, his weight should make no difference




Right...

I know I have a lot of progress to make in terms of tehnique and everything else, but you aren't honestly saying that weight and size makes no difference. It does.




20kg, no this shouldnt make a difference, true in the extreme lets say some one who is 50kg trying to throw someone who is 110 kg true. But remember that you are not the impliment of lifting (that is gravity force, a forward falling motion), you are the fulcrum, just a device to help the process. You must be the catalyst. The weight diffence between you and this person you mention should make no difference.
This is why I said to check your alignment, I think this would solve your problem. Heres a little experiment for you go to the gym and squat his body weight, you will be able to do it once at least, is that not all you need!

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