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#198440 - 10/28/05 08:58 AM Throwing Big Guys
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Registered: 02/10/05
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Loc: Atlanta, GA
There's a guy I train with whose easily 6'1, 220lbs. He's got at least 40lbs on me. Not only do I have to throw him, I've been forced to use O-Goshi, which #1, I don't like, and #2, I don't think is a good choice against someone his size.

In the long run I guess this situation will benefit me, but for now it's frustrating! I can't get off a good throw, and this is when he's 100% compliant, not resisting me in the least! I could never pull this off in sparring.

Oh well...

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#198441 - 10/28/05 12:04 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: BigRod]
butterfly Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
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Loc: Torrance, CA
BR,

I guess it's like everything else in life. Practice.

Hey, I suck at Judo. But I guess that's the benefit of a lot of uchi-kome. All I can say is that your skills are better than mine, and I can't throw someone my size....

-B

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#198442 - 10/28/05 12:24 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: BigRod]
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Before you reap the leg make sure his shoulders are turned.
A cheat is break his balance at the ankle and shoulder, like trip then reap the leg, it makes it harder for him to break his fall because it throws his timing off. He thinking side break fall, then it up and over backwards!!!
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#198443 - 10/28/05 12:28 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: BigRod]
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For the non-judo folks like myself:

http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/ogoshi.htm

God I love that site.
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#198444 - 10/28/05 12:46 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: MattJ]
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Get the kuzushi and the timing right and you should have no problems.
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#198445 - 10/28/05 12:47 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: Neko456]
Leo_E_49 Offline
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Quote:

Before you reap the leg make sure his shoulders are turned.
A cheat is break his balance at the ankle and shoulder, like trip then reap the leg, it makes it harder for him to break his fall because it throws his timing off. He thinking side break fall, then it up and over backwards!!!




I didn't know O-Goshi had a leg reap...
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#198446 - 10/28/05 12:47 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: MattJ]
Dereck Offline
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Thanks for the webpage Matt. Everybody always uses these big words that I've never heard of but I figured we did most of them ... and I was right. Thanks

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#198447 - 10/28/05 01:15 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: Leo_E_49]
Neko456 Offline
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I thought he said Osoto-gari not hip throw, taller people show be easier to throw in a ogashi, I'd think.

My bad.
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#198448 - 10/28/05 01:52 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: BigRod]
GojuRyuboy13 Offline
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how tall are you compared to him. Just wondering, but taller people are easier to get ogoshi and some other hip throws on because it's easier to get under their center of balance.

The shorter people in the class I couldn't ever get that throw in, I also don't really like it. It's alright to add in a combo or something. But I am not that good either.

Just make sure you get all the elements, good kuzushi, proper position, and it should all come togethor.
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#198449 - 10/28/05 01:57 PM Re: Throwing Big Guys [Re: BigRod]
thisguy Offline
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Registered: 09/27/05
Posts: 81
Loc: fullerton CA
hey there big rod, im roughly the same size as the person that you are working with. the thing to do is be sure to get him off balance and keep him off balance. this hip through should be easier for you once you understand the dynamics of it(the most duh statement i have made)

what i mean is that once you get him off balance, make sure that he is staying off balance through out the rest of your throw. as you reach behind his back, get below his hips, then with both arms, pull him onto you(kinda) as you feel his weight on you, use your egs to lift him up and then follow through with yor through.

the biggest thing i notice with smaller people trying to through me, is that they don't follow through with the through. ideally it should all be one motion. if you do your throw in a step by step pattern, it will be harder to do.

ps: we big guys don't like to be thrown so cheat if you have to

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