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#198324 - 10/28/05 02:15 PM Re: Kata Competition - A Waste of TIme??? [Re: Neko456]
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Is having the mental toughness of a car salesman something I want? Vacuums? A mid-manager!? now you're talking!

Seriously, these are good points, and performing in front of others does test your nerve and ability to perform under pressure. That's what tests are for, too, though. Maybe competing is taking it to another level.

Still, I think the best way for me to stay calm under pressure is the practice of zen meditation. Fostering clarity and fearlessness in every day practice, there's no need to go out of your way to prove anything to anyone, even yourself. All is complete, right here and Now.

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#198325 - 10/28/05 02:40 PM Re: Kata Competition - A Waste of TIme??? [Re: Victor Smith]
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It's not mandatory for training, but it can be a personal tool of the highest magnitude.

Or perhaps you just don't have what it takes to go before thousands and show what you can actually do?



Some interesting views but I certainly would not consider it "a tool of the highest magnitude". One good method for training real kata skills would be to practice bunkai in free kumite against real attacks performed at full speed and power. Doing this would be of a much "higher magnitude" than performing kata in front of many people and you get more than one go at doing it. So long as your training partner has every intention of hitting you hard it should develop enough adrenalin in you - there should be no feeling of compliance by the attacker as seen in many training drills.

Your other points on competition in Kata I would very much agree with. It should be performed in this manner in order to retain it's true spirit. So any of you pretty boys (and girls) out there and you know who you are, read Victors post. The best kata competition I ever did was the Shotokan Cup - a KUGB individuals event. The kata is not performed against anyone else, you're up on your own and you get scored as if you were competeting in a final. Highest scores go through to the following round. This is a far more sensible way to do kata tournaments.

As to the second part of the above quote, I hope that comment was not directed at me personally and was intended as a general remark to all with a similiar viewpoint to my own. As to it's insinuation, you are wrong, I have competed in many kata events. I didn't really worry about winning at it as I was more interested in Kumite. The difference between the two was I always performed strong kata and never walked off the mat feeling I'd let myself down. Kumite is very different - you are frequently feeling all kinds of negative thoughts if you lose. Either feeling that you should of done something different, or the ref made a bad call or just generally disappointed in your own performance.

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#198326 - 10/28/05 03:52 PM Re: Kata Competition - A Waste of TIme??? [Re: dogfacedboyuk1]
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My final comment was rhetorical, not personal in it direction. It's difficult to separate intent of course, I was trying to engage everyone with that remark.

The use of competition in kata is for the highest push in energy development and execution. The totally random use of kata technique against random attack is an entirely separate and needed tool too. This is where you work to link the energy of the kata to the application, an entirely separte skill set except in the most exceptional individuals from my short experiences.

There is no one right way, but many times there are many that can be very useful.

And for the record I have a personal kata scoring system that makes the most sense. If any technique in a kata is execucuted at less than 100%, the final score must be zero. otherwise the score is 100. There are no second places in using kata if your life is on the line, and accepting anything else as a goal is inadequate.
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#198327 - 10/28/05 09:31 PM Re: Kata Competition - A Waste of TIme??? [Re: Victor Smith]
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Ok Victor, I'll give a little way to you on the kata adrenalin thing. When training on the class performing kata, my main focus was always perfection of the technique - I knew I could put 100% power into it anytime I liked, but doing so would have not achieved my purpose. Polishing it up was always more important to me so I took my spirit and power down a notch to allow for extra concentration on the techniques, especially the "inbetween" movements - as being discussed in another post at moment. At the kata competitions I did feel that extra andrenalin you mentioned and I just all out went into hyper pyscho killer mode. It was only a marginal increase in my level of performance as I'm a big guy and I like to perform my katas with plenty of spirit and power when being watched or demonstrating normally. I don't NEED a crowd watching me to pump me up, but it does give that small margin. I think having a senior instructor watching would do more for my performance than a crowd at a competition.

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#198328 - 10/29/05 12:29 AM Re: Kata Competition - A Waste of TIme??? [Re: dogfacedboyuk1]
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Since competitive diving doesn't make you into a better swimmer, why have or enter diving competitions?

Victor said it all. Can't add anymore.
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#198329 - 10/29/05 05:58 AM Re: Kata Competition - A Waste of TIme??? [Re: JoelM]
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http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...ue#Post15758622

Have fun.




Damn you Joel! And double damn you Victor! Now where's that Rocky soundtrack, I've got some kata to do!!!!
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#198330 - 10/29/05 03:44 PM Re: Kata Competition - A Waste of TIme??? [Re: Gavin]
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Da, da da da-da da-da da, Da, da da da-da da-da da, Da, da da da-da da-da da, Da da.... Da....Da.......
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#198331 - 10/30/05 04:05 AM Re: Kata Competition - A Waste of TIme??? [Re: Victor Smith]
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#198332 - 10/30/05 09:56 PM Re: Kata Competition - A Waste of TIme??? [Re: Victor Smith]
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Da, da da da-da da-da da, Da, da da da-da da-da da, Da, da da da-da da-da da, Da da.... Da....Da.......





With all due respect, is that in 4/4, 3/4 or 8/11 time?
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#198333 - 10/31/05 05:49 AM Re: Kata Competition - A Waste of TIme??? [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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It's been literally decades since I've thought about the 'time' a piece is written in.

It's the "Rocky" theme music, watch the movie and figure that out yourself <GRIN>.

Interesting 'Stalone' is back making the next Rocky too, (and also Rambo returns after that).
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