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#197087 - 10/26/05 05:55 PM Re: Tenth Level Black Belt [Re: spectrum]
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You might enjoy knowing that he is also a proud white belt in JJ. Good company!




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#197088 - 08/11/06 11:57 AM Re: Tenth Level Black Belt [Re: Leo_E_49]
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I always understood that 10th dan were given after the fact. One had to die and then their organization gave them a 10th dan providing that they were already 9th. I don't think Jhoon Rhee is associated with either the wtf or itf though his books on the Chang Hon patterns are good.

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#197089 - 08/11/06 01:45 PM Re: Tenth Level Black Belt [Re: mcmillintkd]
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he's not
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#197090 - 08/11/06 10:30 PM Re: Tenth Level Black Belt [Re: mcmillintkd]
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>>I don't think Jhoon Rhee is associated with either the wtf or itf though his books on the Chang Hon patterns are good. <<

No, they are not.

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#197091 - 08/12/06 01:22 AM Re: Tenth Level Black Belt [Re: elmcityslim]
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10th dans in Tae Kwon Do

PROFESSOR EUGENE A. HUMESKY
http://www.utbtaekwondo.us/grandmaster_eugene_a_humesky_credentials.html

Suh Chong Kang
http://www.tkangtkd.com/grandmaster.htm

Hae Man Park
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/tkdbiddleco/myhomepage/family.html

Uhm Woon Kyu
http://www.chungdo.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=3

and so on...

"WTF President Choue granted an honorary 10th Dan certificate to Dr. Rogge, along with a black belt and Dobok. Dr. Rogge was the second to be honored with the WTF's honorary 10th Dan, after Juan Antonio Samaranch, the honorary president of the IOC."
source: http://www.wtf.org/site/news/wtf.htm?realnum=92&page=&keyword=&part=&mode=view

also...

"Some of the many private Taekwondo organizations are: ITF, WTU, ITU, ITTF, WTTF, KTF, KTTA, ATA, ATF, ATU, UTF, UTI, UTU, and so on. It is estimated that there are over 200 private Taekwondo organizations in the world."
source: http://www.answers.com/topic/taekwondo

and each one can have a 10th dan. Then of course the (estimated guess) hundreds others who have no affiliation at all, but use the rank 10th dan, title Grandmaster, and art name Tae Kwon Do...simply because they wish to.

so, since there is no legal regulation against this practice, the answer to the threads question is that there are hundreds of 10th dans in 'Tae Kwon Do'.

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#197092 - 08/13/06 11:41 AM Re: Tenth Level Black Belt [Re: Ed_Morris]
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I find it ironic that Suh Kang, a former Vice President of the ITF authored an article back in the 1970s (or maybe early 80s) Calling for Integrity in the Black Belt Ranks. He made it clear then that IX Dan was the highest. Isn't it funny that he is a 10th degree?

I used to argue all the time about who is right & wrong with respect to all aspects of TKD. I no longer do that, as to each their own.

I do ask those that think 10th Dan is the highest level to explain why? I would love to learn the theory or reasoning behind it.

In the ITF, we believe that IX Dan is the highest. There is reasons given. It stems from the number 3, which in Chinese is written with 3 horizontal parrell lines. The top line represents heaven, the middle mortals & the bottom earth. It is a special number in the Orient & when mutiplied by itself, you get 9. The highest of the single digit numbers. It also is the only single digit number with the special property that when you mutiply 9 by any other single digit number the resulting number when added together equals 9. For example 3 x 9 = 27, 2 + 7 = 9, 9 x 9 = 81, 8 + 1 = 9 etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

When asked about 10th degree etc. Gen Choi would often answer why stop at 10, why not 19, or 99 or 100. In fact I have seen some advertise themselves as 13 degree. Again, to each there own!
But please give the reason behind why. If youdon't know, ask your instructor, if they do not know, do some research. The best question a Martial Artist can ask is WHY?

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#197093 - 08/14/06 01:59 PM Re: Tenth Level Black Belt [Re: EarlWeiss]
mcmillintkd Offline
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I was wondering why the negative comment to Jhoon Rhee's books and what you would offer as a subsitute?

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#197094 - 08/14/06 06:30 PM Re: Tenth Level Black Belt [Re: mcmillintkd]
ITFunity Offline
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Hi
Although I didn't say anything negative about GM Rhee's books, I would like to add this. I have several of them. When I bought them, they were a supplement to my Taekwon-Do training. They gave more pictures & details than GM Choi's books that were out at the time. In addition, I learned these forms, hyungs much the same way they were illustrated in GM Rhee's books. In other words Korean Karate style. Examples are the old style bending ready stance type "A" (Moa JunBi Sogi "A"), the old style chambers & KiHaps, that don't belong. The best one I think was his 1st, which had ChonJi in it. It was also in Spanish, which I think may have been a 1st.

For me, these books are very outdated, as are those by GM Hee Il Cho & Master Keith Yates. For some, they may still serve a purpose. I enjoyed their history sections as well.
I however would think that someone who wanted to learn the ChonJi Patterns, the Chang Hon or ITF Tuls, would buy the 15 volume Encylopedia of Taekwon-Do, authored by Choi, Hong Hi. Many consider him the founder of Taekwon-Do, or at least one of the principal developers, spreaders etc. He was the founder of the ITF, a former president of the KTA & the creator of these sets of patterns, the 1st Korean ones. I would think that if one was interested in learning these patterns, one would refer to his texts, especially a 15 volume set, that dedicates a tremendous amount of print space, diagrams & photos designed to help the student learn. These books also have CD Roms, videos & DVDs to supplement the printed matter, as well as many qualified International Instructors that are capable of teaching them the way the founder said they should be performed.

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#197095 - 08/14/06 07:18 PM Re: Tenth Level Black Belt [Re: ITFunity]
mcmillintkd Offline
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The TKD encyclopedia is beyond my meager student funds but luckily there is a copy in my university library. I have found myself referring to it again and again. I am working my way through each of the volumes including the ones that I am not near to knowing the information because of rank. What other TKD books were you recommend?

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#197096 - 08/14/06 09:11 PM Re: Tenth Level Black Belt [Re: ITFunity]
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I do ask those that think 10th Dan is the highest level to explain why?



the theory is quite simple really. The WTF was set up in direct opposition to the ITF, hence why they went one higher.

Stuart

Ps. This is not a WTF diss, just how it was
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