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#195210 - 10/23/05 12:20 AM Re: krav against other MA's [Re: ShikataGaNai]
csinca Offline
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Registered: 04/16/03
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example - after some knife manuevering, he got behind me and put me in a choke (one arm around my neck locked in by the other wrapped around my head). i immediately delivered a couple elbows to his guts and guess what? it just p1$$ed him off so he fell back, bringing me into the scariest neck-breaker i've ever been in.




I don't disagre with what others have posted but you also have to keep in mind, once an experienced person has your back, you are in it deep with the gators. There is little that most of us are going to be able to do to "get out of" a skilled person with a rear choke locked in.

By the way, elbows to the ribs are not an answer and I hope they aren't being taught as an escape from a rear choke. At best they are a distraction while you are setting up something else, and at worst, well they just [censored] the guy off.

Anyway, the question that you should be looking at is how will Krav help me keep the guy in front of me and my weapons. Ask your Kali instructor how he got to your back and go from there.

Chris

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#195211 - 10/23/05 12:40 AM Re: krav against other MA's [Re: csinca]
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Oh no...not elbows to the gut in that situation.. First react before the choke from the rear is on all the way..turn your head, pluck the arm and caputre it, shoulder up into his armpit to make room, duck under his arm bringing his captured wrist with you and wrap it up behind his back..

There is a variation where I deliver an elbow to his face after the pluck and before the shoulder...
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#195212 - 10/23/05 02:14 AM Re: krav against other MA's [Re: RangerG]
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..turn your head, pluck the arm and caputre it, shoulder up into his armpit to make room, duck under his arm bringing his captured wrist with you and wrap it up behind his back..





i would assume by this you are referring to "turning into the choke", yes?

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#195213 - 10/24/05 05:17 PM Re: krav against other MA's [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Quote:

..turn your head, pluck the arm and caputre it, shoulder up into his armpit to make room, duck under his arm bringing his captured wrist with you and wrap it up behind his back..





i would assume by this you are referring to "turning into the choke", yes?




If the arm is coming around your throat from over your right shoulder, turn your head to the left and tuck it against your chest while plucking his arm with both hands. That way his arm is not under your chin and pressing against your adams apple.. You only have a second or so to react.

I wish I could draw like oldman...
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#195214 - 10/24/05 05:45 PM Re: krav against other MA's [Re: RangerG]
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oh, that's all right - you explained it exactly like we trained it!

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#195215 - 10/24/05 06:30 PM Re: krav against other MA's [Re: ShikataGaNai]
RangerG Offline
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oh, that's all right - you explained it exactly like we trained it!




I got something right?? Honest?? Wow..the senility must have gone into temporary remission...
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#195216 - 10/25/05 11:27 AM Re: krav against other MA's [Re: RangerG]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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yeah! now if only my busted foot would heal so i can go back to class and practice it

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#195217 - 10/25/05 06:29 PM Re: krav against other MA's [Re: ShikataGaNai]
RangerG Offline
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Registered: 04/18/05
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Oh that stinks..

My wrists are taking a beating... Do you find that the disarms are kinda rough on your wrists? It's the only part of this old body that seems to be suffering from training....
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#195218 - 10/25/05 07:26 PM Re: krav against other MA's [Re: RangerG]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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i tend to wrap up extra on my wrists as a matter of fact, because i have very skinny arms - i don't really have too much trouble with the disarms, but man, my forearms, shins, neck and palms of my hands are anhilated at the end of my saturday MMA class. it's one of the most fun things i've ever taken, but it's brutal - hence the foot.
when i used to skateboard, i would break my wrists all the time. i eventually started wearing wrist guards manufactured by the Rector company and eventually i would use them in JKD. i liked them because they were super sturdy but a little more low profile than the MA type. might wanna check it out..

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#195219 - 10/31/05 04:59 AM Re: krav against other MA's [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Registered: 12/23/04
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The problem with reacting to the attacks of something vastly more skilled than you is their tendency to react to your reactions.

My Hapkido instructor has put me in plenty of locks I could escape and throw her from, the problem is that the second I attempt this she just shifts her weight and angle slightly making what I was about to attempt utterly ineffective.

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