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#194848 - 10/18/05 04:03 AM Knockout pressure point squeeze
sgt_anthony Offline
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Registered: 10/18/05
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Hello martial arts enthusiasts,

Is there a 'squeeze' or 'tiger claw' or 'pinch' etc. technique that can be used to render an opponent unconscious using pressure points? This doesn't have to turn into a discussion about stomach 9 etc. Any technique that achieves this should be mentioned.

Now don't assume I'm one of the denihilists - I know that pressure points exist, however I am particularly skeptical of one move I continue to hear people rave about on forums. Certain people seem to believe they can knock people unconscious without striking them with a knife hand, or punch etc. Yes, I am well aware this can be achieved through the use of a choke such as the "sleeper hold" by that I am referring to rear naked chokes and the like. But these 'experts' seem to believe that they can "squeeze...hold and twist...tiger claw grab...pinch..." etc. to cause a non-fatal (ideally) knockout. I was disturbed when I heard this and did some research. A fellow by the name of Master Erle Montaigue featured an interesting article that did seem to confirm this.

"E. What about the 'just touching' the area to cause knock out can that be done and why.

PL Any doctor can do that to the carotid sinus to cause knock out with just a finger touch."

http://www.taijiworld.com/Articles/george.htm


I come from a very blunt school of hand to hand defensive tactics - whatever works inside the law, goes. Obviously in my profession we did not enjoy the 'tear off ear' freedom of military special operations units such as NZSAS but we were still very to the point. Is there a possible and reliable technique that does this no bs?


My name is A. Tamati - thanks for your input

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#194849 - 10/18/05 05:55 AM Re: Knockout pressure point squeeze [Re: sgt_anthony]
ZoneD Offline
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Registered: 10/13/05
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Sir,

Yes, there are, actually several possibilities, one way to achieve it is using M-HN-18 (tcm) or mental nerve (mwm) on the jaw. (mental nerve, comes from mandibular division of the trigeminal nerve(V3)).
“sleeper hold” can also be done by several different ways, and doing it relatively safely.

If knockout technique is applied slightly ‘wrong’, side-effects (nausea, dizziness, pain, vomiting, can occur), but in the case of correctly applied knockout technique is safe – because, (actually knockout is wrong term in here), we should say - to put person fast to sleep (no its easier way to say is KO) That way its safe – like natural sleep.

Yes, correct stimulus (pressure) to carotic sinus (the place where baroreceptors are, these receptors monitor the blood pressure and level of oxygen in blood) can cause knockout, but that it can also cause severe traumas to opponent by changing blood pressure quickly – this can lead to arrhythmia to heart. As a side note, but affecting to ones blood pressure and causing KO by that, causes KO where opponent wakes up usually before even dropping to floor – or right after that. This happens because then body itself knows that blood pressure is normal and ok. But if I use just two fingers to put someone out, and doing it with out carotic stimulus, the person will not wakeup before he’s correctly restored.

I did not follow nor read the link you posted, but I think that this gives some answers to it too…

This is my 0.00000001 cent worth...

BTW - At my website, in training/videoclips/ are videoclip number 9 - its not a grabling KO, but only one technique was delivered, and NO carotic sinus nor ST-9 was used.
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#194850 - 10/18/05 06:06 AM Re: Knockout pressure point squeeze [Re: ZoneD]
Gavin Offline
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Quote:

BTW - At my website, in training/videoclips/ are videoclip number 9 - its not a grabling KO, but only one technique was delivered, and NO carotic sinus nor ST-9 was used.




That's a lovely K.O Toni! Looks like it could be a lovely pre-emptive shot. Cool!

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#194851 - 10/18/05 08:07 AM Re: Knockout pressure point squeeze [Re: Gavin]
ZoneD Offline
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Gavin,

pre-emptive means what? My dictionary didn't know that...
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#194852 - 10/18/05 10:02 AM Re: Knockout pressure point squeeze [Re: ZoneD]
Gavin Offline
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Toni,

A pre-emptive strike is one where we take control of a conflict /fight and strike first. Basically, hit them before they hit you.

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#194853 - 10/18/05 11:37 AM Re: Knockout pressure point squeeze [Re: Gavin]
ZoneD Offline
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Registered: 10/13/05
Posts: 10
Thanks - I was almost right..

Yes I believe that could be quite good on that purpose.
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#194854 - 10/18/05 01:31 PM Re: Knockout pressure point squeeze [Re: ZoneD]
paradoxbox Offline
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Registered: 09/15/04
Posts: 590
Hits to certain areas on the side of the neck, back of the neck and temple will cause an immediate KO if delivered with a first strike.

Pressure points to those areas are remarkably inneffective if a person knows they are going to be hit, though hits to the back of the neck/skull and temple are still somewhat effective .

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#194855 - 10/22/05 10:27 PM Re: Knockout pressure point squeeze [Re: paradoxbox]
h2whoa Offline
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Registered: 10/16/05
Posts: 427
Loc: Fiji
I do not believe that their is a way to knock someone out by touch or non touch, unless you are Mr Spock or a Televangelist. I do however believe that a well struck blow to a pressure point (this takes years to perfect), can be a devestating weapon!!
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#194856 - 10/21/07 08:48 PM Re: Knockout pressure point squeeze [Re: Gavin]
robo313 Offline
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Registered: 10/21/07
Posts: 1
Quote:

Quote:

BTW - At my website, in training/videoclips/ are videoclip number 9 - its not a grabling KO, but only one technique was delivered, and NO carotic sinus nor ST-9 was used.




on one hand this is awesome and i really want to try it on my friends!...on the other hhand i dont want 2 cause something damaging...so i want anb honest opinion on what i should do. plz help!

That's a lovely K.O Toni! Looks like it could be a lovely pre-emptive shot. Cool!

Gav



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#194857 - 10/22/07 01:16 AM Re: Knockout pressure point squeeze [Re: robo313]
BrianS Offline
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Loc: Northwest Arkansas
Do not try this on your friends.
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