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#193420 - 12/22/05 05:04 PM Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: harlan]
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Hasn't this thread crossed the line of being way too political yet...

OLDMAN!!!!

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#193421 - 12/22/05 06:34 PM Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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Political? My post?

I have read that 'to be human is be political'...in a broad sense. I think my comment is not even religious or spiritual...more like...philosophical. But if I have crossed some 'line'...please point out where so that I may become more aware.

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#193422 - 12/22/05 07:33 PM Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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Hasn't this thread crossed the line of being way too political yet...

OLDMAN!!!!





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Idiotic? Hell yes. Political? I'm not seeing it.

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Destruction is an inherent feature of Development.




Anyone else notice the irony of the person writing this on the internet - probably living in a "developed" nation?

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We cannot have Sustainable Development.




Maybe not, but we're looking at about a 5000 year run, so far. Not bad, eh?

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Sustainable Living is associated with consuming less being satisfied with a simple and frugal life.
Development is associated with never ending desires always wanting more.




Yes, it's terrible how people desire ways to eliminate back breaking labor, find better ways to communicate, treat terrible diseases......*rolls eyes*

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Sustainable lifestyle requires Constancy.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Sameness.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Repetition.




Wait.....what are you trying to say? I don't understand. This part is so confusing......

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Only agriculture-based societies that do physical work can be sustainable.




OK, I see your point there. Ag-based societies grow the things we eat and wear, furnish building materials, etc. But if you think that going back to horses and farms will solve the worlds problems, you are naive.

The Thames river in London was horribly polluted even in the pre-industrial ages, cleaned up with the modern sewer system. In America, the advent of the automobile was looked upon with wonder as a way to end the scourge of pollution from horse droppings.

You are making a gross generalization between development - which is not inherently evil, and rampant over-development, which is a very real problem.



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#193423 - 12/23/05 03:17 AM Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: harlan]
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Harlan, my comment was not in regard to your post, but the entire thread. I feel that his comments and the beliefs he states are too political for this forum.

Matt, it is idiotic, and it is political in nature. This is something along the lines of "pit the left vs. the right" commentary. That's why for the most part I stayed out of it. Just seeing it pop back up again was a little too much.

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#193424 - 12/23/05 09:54 AM Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: MattJ]
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"Idiotic? Hell yes. Political? I'm not seeing it"

Those two seem to really enjoy each other's company

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#193425 - 12/23/05 03:58 PM Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: MattJ]
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Agricultural communities are sustainable because someone won't let them have any advances!

Where are these halcyon communities? Can you promise and assure me they have never had any kind of war with their neighbours?
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#193426 - 12/23/05 10:34 PM Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: trevek]
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good point. Unfortunately, your question will never be addressed by the thread bearer.

'SUV' only involves his/her self with one-way communication: depositing his conscience on a forum and not engaging in interactive debate is a bit like hanging your trash on a highway billboard sign in order to remind people they are generating too much garbage.

SUV: Thank-you for reminding us...but not very helpful to the overall solution now is it? could you please kindly tell us when you expect to properly dispose your 'message'? have you invented a new kind of solar and smokeless incinerator? or perhaps come up with a way to de-populate the world so there is less demand for resources? Got a 'final solution' for us or will you just continue to whine via loudspeaker?

I think SUV needs to tell us how he/she is part of the solution and not part of the problem....if not, this thread needs to be put in the recycle bin.
IMO

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#193427 - 12/23/05 10:44 PM Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: BrianS]
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I like that phrase: driveby.

This is one of those moderator calls: when is enough enough and a thread closed? It calls for an evaluation, a concensus that there is no more value to be gleaned from a thread. I know this poster bothers me, due to his behaviour (as noted by Ed), but is it any worse than the numerous threads that get derailed by trivial asides?

If anyone is noting: I second Ed's motion to close the thread. Or is it a third...since Bushi asked first?

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Another driveby preaching of destruction and doom,get over it dude.



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#193428 - 12/24/05 04:11 PM Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: harlan]
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yeah, shut it down and maybe something new will develop! It seems unsustainable.
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#193429 - 12/26/05 01:24 AM Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: trevek]
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Die thread,die!!!!!!
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