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#192261 - 02/07/06 10:24 AM
Re: JKD influenced by TKD?
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Here is a link with info on Tam Tui - http://www.chin-woo.com/whatis.html
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#192262 - 02/07/06 05:30 PM
Re: JKD influenced by TKD?
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oh thanks guys, i just thought you guys forgot to mention it. 
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#192264 - 03/12/06 07:37 PM
Re: JKD influenced by TKD?
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AMP -
Yes, "most".
I wish I could find the list. Bruce Lee supposedly wrought JKD out of 26 different martial arts, with the majority (16-18?) being Chinese. Paul Vunak has mentioned them before in interviews, and had them posted in some of his old ads, but I can't seem to find them. If I find the list, I will post it.
However, if you and Taison are refering to the relative amount of weight given to a given art in the JKD "syllabus", then I would agree that the non-Chinese arts (with the exception of Wing Chun) were held in somewhat higher regard by BL.
I am still very skeptical of TKD's influence on JKD.
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#192265 - 03/12/06 08:49 PM
Re: JKD influenced by TKD?
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I don't think any of us can backtrack and read Bruce Lee's mind about the different arts he infused into JKD. One of his students, Larry Hartsell, lives in Charlotte, about 100 miles from me, and when it's convenient to visit him, I'll ask him about it. From watching what Bruce Lee did in his movies, a lot of what people think are "spin kicks" aren't, and from watching his technique in films, I would seriously doubt if TKD had much of an influence. I studied TKD with an Asian champion in it, and not much of what Bruce Lee did looks like anything we did, other than kicking high. 
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#192267 - 03/13/06 07:19 AM
Re: why the race but not the country?
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Wasn't referring to race. Billy Hong was Korean. He was all-Asian Tae Kwon Do champion in 1966 and 67. Asian, as in the continent...
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#192268 - 03/15/06 09:56 PM
Re: JKD influenced by TKD?
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wing chun is chinese, tam tui is chinese as well he learned another martial arts from a chinese master that i seem to have forgotten, but yes MOST was chinese arts, with some Western philosophy and technique. 
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#192269 - 03/16/06 09:02 AM
Re: JKD influenced by TKD?
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AMP -
Yes, "most".
I wish I could find the list. Bruce Lee supposedly wrought JKD out of 26 different martial arts, with the majority (16-18?) being Chinese. Paul Vunak has mentioned them before in interviews, and had them posted in some of his old ads, but I can't seem to find them. If I find the list, I will post it.
However, if you and Taison are refering to the relative amount of weight given to a given art in the JKD "syllabus", then I would agree that the non-Chinese arts (with the exception of Wing Chun) were held in somewhat higher regard by BL.
Yeah, well, that's what I thought.
And, because of that, I submit to everyone here that for anyone to claim that JKD is mostly CMA-derived is TOTALLY misleading. According to John Little in Martial Arts Talk, Bruce Lee wrote a letter to student James Lee in 1965, where he stated that he was working on his "own system", which was essentially "a combination of wing chun, fencing, and Western boxing".
Lee's fighting notes, posthumously published as The Tao of Jeet Kune Do, reveal a strong fencing and boxing influence, and his section on grappling contains various throws, takedowns, and submission holds from judo and CACC wrestling, which Lee studied, under LeBell.
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