"Here's a version of Kotegaeshi which is widely practiced in very much the same way:http://aikido-france.net/download.php?video=aikido-iwama-kotegaeshi-franziska.mpg
Note the "overt striking". Also note the ever so subtle hip movement at the end of the throw (not that you can see Saito's hips clearly), but the sword cut across uke's chest is there. It's not obvious from the vid, but I think Saito was being "gentle". The other one with his son is a little more obvious, but still very subtle nonetheless...http://aikido-france.net/download.php?video=aikido-iwama-kotegaeshi-munadori-hs.avi
This is what I mean - the overt striking is not what one should be looking for - that's OK for "basics". It is the implied strikes that is really the key.
Sorry for the long (and somewhat off-topic post). In a frail attempt to bring it back on track, KiDoHae, even though hapkido shares some basic techniques with aikido, and when you've had a look at some of these, perhaps you could share with us, what some of the more subtle differences are between the 2 arts?" Eyrie
I thought I would just hazard to also give my reaction to your post.
I am in complete agreement that many schools of aikido employ strikes however I think that it is fair to say that they manifest themselves differently.
Here is one school of hapkido that is often claimed to be closest to Daito-ryu. Having trained in Daito ryu in Kansai, I don't find it so, but it is representative of hapkido.http://www.jungkikwan.com/
click on "movies"
There are quite a few clips in the first grouping including some short bits of Choi Yong Sul.( Hapkido's Founder.)
I think that when I watch Saito-sensei performing I am never under the impression for a moment that he is a hapkido practitioner. Watching these hapkido videos I never have the impression that I am watching either aikido or Daito-ryu. While they may all come from the same root I think it is clear that, as they are currently practised, they all have their own flavour, or indelible stamp to them.
I think hapkido tends toward less complex footwork and more direct attacks against the joint done in a more abrupt manner. The striking is often the main course rather than an assistant to kuzushi. The hope of the jointlock is often the immediate break rather than the resulting throw.
I don't think any of the 3 arts are superior to any of the others but I do feel they prioritize different goals and move differently.
When I watch Saito-sensei doing kotegaeshi I instantly recognize it as aikido and not Daito-ryu or hapkido. It has the 'stamp'of aikido on it. More steps, creating greater and longer unbalancing, different angle at which point the balance is taken and becomes a throw. And this is as it should be. Aikido is its own art, as are the others.
I think you will find equally when you watch the hapkido-ists you will not feel like you are watching what could be one of your buddies in the aikido dojo. Not better, or worse, but not the same.
Well, you might not like it as much! But then again Sri Lankans often don't care for Indian food. It tastes like their own food made'incorrectly'.