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#190917 - 10/12/05 11:32 AM Re: Martial arts and modern weapons [Re: harlan]
JoelM Offline
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Registered: 07/26/04
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Unless your traditional martial arts training consists of knife (Filipino MA is all that I know of that does) training, then no.

I don't know of any so-called traditional MA's that train for gun usage.

But why do you limit your search to traditional MA? Fletch has espoused the benefits of many modern h2h and knife training systems. Just because they have a cute acronym for a moniker doesn't give them any less credibility than a 100-year old system with a foreign name.
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#190918 - 10/12/05 11:47 AM Re: Martial arts and modern weapons [Re: JoelM]
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Had a difficult time with the original question. Was obvious that trad. weapons not applicable to guns. Did he mean empty-hand MA against a gun/knife? Or as applied to one's own gun/knife?

"Traditional" meant 'not modern'. Does he mean modern? Does that include gas canisters? Funky thread.

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#190919 - 10/12/05 12:49 PM Re: Martial arts and modern weapons [Re: JoelM]
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I may not be correct but I got that he was thinking supplementing Trad MA with Modern weapons. In that case there or many Trad arts that have added Arnis/Silat/Bando or Thai weapon training into their class study.

Should MAs carry knives for SD depends on the laws in your area and how comfortable U feel with that tool. I carry a knife but not as a main form of s/d, its mostly for utility purpose but its part of the total package. In the scenairo 3-4" Knife vs. a Bat I don't like those odds.

Anyway thats what I got out his question, and my replies were base on that.
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#190920 - 10/12/05 04:29 PM Re: Martial arts and modern weapons [Re: Neko456]
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i have one other question that fits nicely into this thread.

has anyone heard of katar? (apparantley a 'real' martial art made widespread by the film equilibrium) one of my friends at school says he trained in it. i suppose anyone whith a basic knoledge of sticking hands could slap a gun in one of those hands!

i have a lot of doubts about it tho, and to me it raises the question why would someone train people to use semi automatic pistols in a country where all firearms are illigal with severe repercussions.
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#190921 - 12/14/05 03:41 PM Re: Martial arts and modern weapons [Re: funstick5000]
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I think that I saw the film (isnīt the one that resembles 1984 from Orwell, where they do fight against emotions, etc.) and though I donīt think this art is a reality, I did like what I saw in the movie. He was using the guns in some martial art fashion, very attractive.

I am thinking now about the possibility of using a gun as a percussive weapon in short range, when the bad man has closed the gap to quick for me to load the weapon. And one can hit the BG with the weapon after taking it away from his hands on a gun disarming. Is an option secondary to shooting him for me, but is another choice, less lethal and better for Court.
If the gun disarm works, of course...
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#190922 - 12/15/05 12:33 PM Re: Martial arts and modern weapons [Re: dud]
funstick5000 Offline
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yeah you've got the right film. the techniques are very pretty and i do love that sticking hands scene at the end. oh and an update on the friend, the gun thng is a very small part of the art he trained in - from what he describes it seems a lot like wing chun.
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#190923 - 12/20/05 08:04 AM Re: Martial arts and modern weapons [Re: SANCHIN31]
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Quote:

Notice the key ring on the kubatons,you must have keys on this or it's illegal.
The point of the thread was that a trained martial artist have a better chance with a weapon than just some guy carrying a weapon with no experience.




In the UK even carrying the Kubotan with keys on is illegal. The term 'made or adapted' covers so many things its best not to even think about weapons unless your life depends on it.
The Kubotan had always seemed a grey area because martial arts shops sell them with the keyring which seems to imply you can put your keys on them and carry.
At a police training session I went to a few years ago we were looking through a selection of weapons and the kubotan was pulled out. They told us as they were made as a martial arts weapon they were illegal to carry even if its 'just a keyring' officer. Most PO's know what they are.

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#190924 - 12/20/05 10:11 AM Re: Martial arts and modern weapons [Re: Khayman]
funstick5000 Offline
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good thing i deceided not to buy one then!
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#190925 - 12/22/05 11:40 AM Re: Martial arts and modern weapons [Re: SANCHIN31]
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I blend Modern weapons into my MA training and teach it to selected students as a elective or add on course in personal protection. With conceal carry law here its good to train and familarize yourself with such weapons in different scenairos. For your saftey and the general public.

Most ruffins or GP would state," yeah that Kung-fu stuff is alright but what if the guy goes and get a gun". In my younger days I used to say, you mean go get one of these exposing my Beretta in my shoulder holster. One of the reason I admire Steven Segal training is that he extended his PP progam to modren weapons, he is a expert with the auto pistol (teaching a kendo stance in his shooting technique). It true you can't carry a Katana in the streets. I teach to carry a package of items on you and in your car. Times have changed we have to adjust our training to suit it.
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#190926 - 12/30/05 09:02 PM Re: Martial arts and modern weapons [Re: Neko456]
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the only thing about haveing those pack of weapons in the car if the other person has a gun you are not gonna try to get somethign out of your car to attck him with or at least i would hope not. in many self defense situations you only have a second to react to someone attacking you this is true evne more if they have a weapon. like you said you can't walk around with a sword or walk down the street with a staff or spear. however what you can have is a cane or a calapuable baton.

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