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#190030 - 09/30/05 11:20 AM Vibrating?
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No, I did not mistake this for the Penthouse forum.

In my grappling class last night, I was whining *ahem* asking my instructor about G'n'P defenses, as I got smeared in the first MMA sparing session I attended.

My problem was the opponent acheiving full mount and pounding me. Heretofore, my escape training did not account for someone punching me at the same time.

So, we worked a couple of defenses that provided for the opponent hitting me whislt I try to escape.

"Vibrating" was one of the things he showed me. He learned it from a Larry Hartsell seminar. It is basically rapid-fire, non-stop bucking with the hips to unbalance the opponent.

I found this quite effective. I was able to unbalance my 250lb instructer (I am about 170lb), and keep him from hitting me even before he got thrown off.

Not sure if this is common in BJJ, but figured I would pass on an interesting experience.
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#190031 - 09/30/05 11:36 AM Re: Vibrating? [Re: MattJ]
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I had not heard it called "vibrating" but this technique is a good one. Also while bucking your opponent if you can trap one of his feet with your foot (put your foot on the outside of his) and trap the arm on the same side, with a little momentum you can roll him to his back. You will be in his guard put at least you are not on the bottom.

Or with the bucking you maybe able to grab his body/head and pull yourself or him to you to eliminate any further punching.

Good on you Matt to realize you have a weakness and to search out techniques to help level the playing field. As a note ... I hate being on my back and sometimes feel panicked. I have to learn to relax and think more and I need to be on my back more so I can train further to escape. Top is great but back is always the hardest to defend from and is why we should work more in this area. Good for you.

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#190032 - 09/30/05 11:57 AM Re: Vibrating? [Re: Dereck]
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You bring up something I want to put out there. I am Claustrophobic. Do you think this fear can be overcome while grappling or being held down? Do you think when held down that the person could get extra strength and push off a heavier assailant?

- J
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#190033 - 09/30/05 12:06 PM Re: Vibrating? [Re: JasonM]
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Mr. Moyer,

Feeling claustrophobic is something you will have to get over very quickly if you study grappling. Depending upon how you get wrapped up, you will be balled up underneath someone, perhaps larger than you and you need to be able to think.

One of the things that you have to learn is to control yourself and your fear of being balled up and pressured from the top. Relax for a moment and try to plan your strategy when you are in a compromised position.

I know this easy for me to say since I am not terribly claustrophobic, but getting your head squished into the mat by someone bigger than you and considering how to get out of the situation is a necessary mental tool...and one that can be used outside of grappling.

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#190034 - 09/30/05 12:48 PM Re: Vibrating? [Re: JasonM]
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MM,
There was a recent thread entitled "Panic". There were some informative responses in it. As with any phobia the most common way to overcome it is by gradual exposure to the feared situation. That along with rational thinking (Disputing inaccurate thoughts) can lead to greater freedom and easing of anxiety over time.

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#190035 - 09/30/05 01:13 PM Re: Vibrating? [Re: butterfly]
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Thanks..

Well, if I come across someone bigger than me, I am definitely in trouble. Since I am 6'2", 300lbs.

Thanks, Oldman. I will check out the post.
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#190036 - 09/30/05 01:34 PM Re: Vibrating? [Re: JasonM]
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Mr. M,

At that size...why need grappling? It is fun though!

Good luck!

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#190037 - 09/30/05 01:45 PM Re: Vibrating? [Re: JasonM]
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Quote by MrMoyer -

Quote:

Well, if I come across someone bigger than me, I am definitely in trouble. Since I am 6'2", 300lbs.





I'm sorry, but you are not allowed to train anymore. I recently sparred a 6'2", 300lb BJJ guy. Let's just say that it didn't go well for me.

Nobody over *measures self* 5'11", 170 lbs is allowed to train anymore. Sorry big guys.
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#190038 - 09/30/05 01:51 PM Re: Vibrating? [Re: MattJ]
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I might have the size, but yall small people have the quickness...

Now, what would one rather have?? Quickness, size or both?

I guess I can't complain being 300lbs, cuz I can still do the splits...boo-yah..

I watched a fight with Royce Gracie and the dude he went up against was MUCH bigger than him. Gracie took him out but at first I had doubts cuz the guy was soo much bigger...It all comes down to technique...or was it quickness...hhmmm...
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#190039 - 09/30/05 02:38 PM Re: Vibrating? [Re: MattJ]
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I found this quite effective. I was able to unbalance my 250lb instructer (I am about 170lb), and keep him from hitting me even before he got thrown off.

Not sure if this is common in BJJ, but figured I would pass on an interesting experience.




The problem with this technique is that it's really really exhausting. If you keep ''vibrating'' for more than just a few seconds, you'll end up gassed out and on the bottom of the mount. Not where you want to be.
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