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#189498 - 02/06/08 07:55 AM Re: sport tkd vs street tkd [Re: ITFunity]
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"Just because someone has been posting a long time shouldn't give them the right to be condescending to other organizations or art forms."


Agreed !

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#189499 - 02/06/08 01:53 PM Re: sport tkd vs street tkd [Re: VDJ]
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You don't mean me do you? I didn't think I was. Sorry if it was seen that way. Please point me to it & I will do my best to explain &/or apologize.

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#189500 - 02/06/08 02:32 PM Re: sport tkd vs street tkd [Re: ITFunity]
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Yes it is an important point to mention those in North Korea practice ITF style Tae Kwon Do which is truely Korea and originaled in South Korea. (More properly Korea)

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#189501 - 02/06/08 03:29 PM Re: sport tkd vs street tkd [Re: ITFunity]
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You don't mean me do you? I didn't think I was. Sorry if it was seen that way. Please point me to it & I will do my best to explain &/or apologize.




No I wasn't referring to you. I was just agreeing in general terms, though it maybe possible Von was referring to fileboy.

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#189502 - 02/07/08 01:32 AM Re: sport tkd vs street tkd [Re: VDJ]
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Okay

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#189503 - 02/07/08 01:34 AM Re: sport tkd vs street tkd [Re: flynch]
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Yes it is an important point to mention those in North Korea practice ITF style Tae Kwon Do which is truely Korea and originaled in South Korea. (More properly Korea)




Yes I find it fascinating that they, NK totally embraced a SK military fighting system that was devised by an enemy general, among others & now do it so well & are instrumental in spreading it further around the world. Another example of what the founder meant by building a more peaceful world!

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#189504 - 03/23/08 12:12 PM Re: sport tkd vs street tkd [Re: ITFunity]
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Theres undocumented stuff on when the NK TKD crew visited Seoul for there demo in 2004 (!). apparently, on the grapevine they match some WTF Olympic champs against some of the NK lot.. the outcome I wont comment on because without proof its heresay, but on eSouth Korean official simply said "WTF TKD for sport, NK TKD for killing!

Stuart end quote




Geeeeeeer,

More ridiculous propaganda.

If one was speaking of a competition between NK TKD against a sport only student competitors I could see this happening, (maybe not a given) but frankly I personally have not witnessed any of these schools that teach only sport competition and no SD. I believe they exist but are not common as people let on. One would see them more often especially those of us that compete against them.

What if the same fighting took place between an ITF demonstration team and a NK fighting team, out come would be the same, fighting team 1 kill, demo team gets the oscer, one must compare apples to apples.

The point is that 99% of wtf schools train SD along with sport. I have no doubt that any WTF organization would hold it"s own against any ITF organization fighting under ITF or WTF rules, or in the street. The same applies in reverse. There is not the difference that some people wish to believe and wrongly advocate and insinuate. I can say this with confidence because I have trained in both systems. I can not wait for the day when the two organization are more cooperative and do competitions against each other, then every one will witness that there really is no difference and it will always boil down to individual talent not a particular style. There will be ITF competitors that get soundly beaten in there own back yards by WTF fighters, and there will be WTF fighters that will be soundly beaten in their houses too, sorry thats just the way it is but I feel a duty to confront this sort of propaganda because it promotes ill will and ignorance.


Edited by von1 (03/23/08 12:34 PM)

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#189505 - 03/23/08 02:16 PM Re: sport tkd vs street tkd [Re: von1]
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More ridiculous propaganda.






Absolutely. I fully agree with this statement as somebody who has been involved in both "ITF" and "WTF" "styles" for many years. What is taught to the student really depends on the individual school and instructor not so much a federation. I have seen good and bad in both Organizations. As far as SD goes I believe most martial art schools are missing the point when it comes to instruction on the topic, not a atyle thing but an inductry thing!
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#189506 - 03/23/08 02:44 PM Re: sport tkd vs street tkd [Re: Fruitloopy]
von1 Offline
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As far as SD goes I believe most martial art schools are missing the point when it comes to instruction on the topic, not a atyle thing but an inductry thing!




Dido

Nice to here from you.


Edited by von1 (03/23/08 02:49 PM)

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#189507 - 03/24/08 01:23 AM Re: sport tkd vs street tkd [Re: Fruitloopy]
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Quote:

More ridiculous propaganda.



Absolutely. I fully agree with this statement as somebody who has been involved in both "ITF" and "WTF" "styles" for many years. What is taught to the student really depends on the individual school and instructor not so much a federation. I have seen good and bad in both Organizations. As far as SD goes I believe most martial art schools are missing the point when it comes to instruction on the topic, not a atyle thing but an inductry thing!




Yes of course, no doubt about it & no agruement here. However the missing piece that few may be considering is not so much the ITF - WTF battle, but rather these players from the north are identified early on. The talented ones are taken in, train as their job, for their leader & these tuff hungry students eat well & live better than most others in the country. If they do not perform, they go back to where they came from, which is not such a nice place to be. JMHO
If you look at the history of fighters in general, boxers specifically, the toughest always seem to come from the down the soci-economic scale.

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