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#189288 - 11/07/06 06:26 PM Re: Fighting girls in competition. [Re: TheFinalOption]
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The question was about tournaments... not about training in class.
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#189289 - 11/07/06 06:56 PM Re: Fighting girls in competition. [Re: pepto_bismol]
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No, the question was not about tournaments. Re-read it. What the question WAS about was how people feel about hitting girls in martial arts in general. The OP merely used the tournament as an example to illustrate his concept. And I wouldn't say hitting in my class is any less intense than it is in many competitions, if you were insinuating that. Personally, I do not currently plan on fighting in tournaments, as I can do the same thing with much less BS in a simple sparring class.
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#189290 - 11/07/06 09:14 PM Re: Fighting girls in competition. [Re: funstick5000]
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No, the question was not about tournaments. Re-read it. What the question WAS about was how people feel about hitting girls in martial arts in general. The OP merely used the tournament as an example to illustrate his concept. And I wouldn't say hitting in my class is any less intense than it is in many competitions, if you were insinuating that. Personally, I do not currently plan on fighting in tournaments, as I can do the same thing with much less BS in a simple sparring class.




Fighting in class is way less intense then competitions, and since you seem to have never competed in a tournament... you can not determine whether fighting in the dojo is as rough as fighting in a tournament.

Now are you sure he meant in "general"?

and the thread is named "fighting girls in competition"

hmm.... maybe it is you that needs to re-read it
Never in his original post does he say in "general"
Quote:

i couldn't bring myself to hit her from the saying that had been pounded into me for years. has anyone else had this problem?

(and if it wasn't for her i would have been silver not joint bronze lol grrr )


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#189291 - 11/07/06 09:32 PM Re: Fighting girls in competition. [Re: pepto_bismol]
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I personally have no problem hitting girls in class or in competition. I'll go all out on them

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#189292 - 11/07/06 10:51 PM Re: Fighting girls in competition. [Re: pepto_bismol]
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I'm not sure what you mean by tournament fighting being "way more intense." From what I've heard a lot of tournaments involve point sparring. I don't see how point sparring, especially with lots of gear, is supposed to be "more intense" than continuous semi/full contact sparring with minimal pads. Sure, there's more pressure to succeed, but the actual combat itself probably isn't more intense, or at least not more painful. Also usually tournaments involve skill and/or weight classes. That's a bit different from fighting black belts twice your size. Really I think it depends on how you do things in your dojo, along with the terms of the tournament. Obviously high level tournaments with a lot of contact can be pretty brutal. I've seen some pretty wicked looking tournaments, along with a lot of really pathetic looking tournaments.

Also, please note that competition doesn't have to mean "tournament." As far as I'm concerned, any and every fight between two determined parties is a "competition."

You might think I'm just an uneducated, inexperienced noob, but you come off as rather arrogant ("I fight in tournaments, and am more hardcore than thou")
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#189293 - 11/08/06 10:23 AM Re: Fighting girls in competition. [Re: TheFinalOption]
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I'm not sure what you mean by tournament fighting being "way more intense." From what I've heard a lot of tournaments involve point sparring. I don't see how point sparring, especially with lots of gear, is supposed to be "more intense" than continuous semi/full contact sparring with minimal pads. Sure, there's more pressure to succeed, but the actual combat itself probably isn't more intense, or at least not more painful. Also usually tournaments involve skill and/or weight classes. That's a bit different from fighting black belts twice your size. Really I think it depends on how you do things in your dojo, along with the terms of the tournament. Obviously high level tournaments with a lot of contact can be pretty brutal. I've seen some pretty wicked looking tournaments, along with a lot of really pathetic looking tournaments.

Also, please note that competition doesn't have to mean "tournament." As far as I'm concerned, any and every fight between two determined parties is a "competition."

You might think I'm just an uneducated, inexperienced noob, but you come off as rather arrogant ("I fight in tournaments, and am more hardcore than thou")




I'm just saying that I don't think one can make a fair judgement about something before they actually experience it.

And do you play soccer, or basketball or any other sport?

Sure, practice can be hard.

But the games are where you really need to be on the top of your game, and get to really test yourself.

+ when you fight people in your school you are used to how they fight, and are comfortable fighting them.

In a tournament you never know how good the other person is,

making it that much more interesting.
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#189294 - 11/09/06 12:05 AM Re: Fighting girls in competition. [Re: pepto_bismol]
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True, tournaments do have a degree of unpredictability that you can't get in a dojo. Yes, I did play soccer a while back (before MA.) And, although we really had to struggle in games, practice scrimages also presented their own sets of challenges- like, for example, the fact that many of our practice games were in pouring rain and other conditions that would ordinarily get regular games cancelled. I guess my point is that while a tournament may have more of a certain kind of intensity, it's quite possible that a dojo encounter could have more of a different kind of intensity. You might not know at all what the guy on the competition floor is capable of, but sometimes ignorance is bliss compared to knowing the other guy broke someone's face the last class, and now its your turn...
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#189295 - 11/09/06 12:21 AM Re: Fighting girls in competition. [Re: pepto_bismol]
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I might also add that due to the belt-centric nature of tournaments, right now I probably couldn't even get into one if I wanted to, and if I could I'd almost certainly be undermatched. I don't have patience for learning katas (which I view as largely pointless and a waste of my training time) and put my emphasis on kumite instead, and as such, my belt is white. I feel I have the skill necessary to take on higher belts if I was allowed, though...so my not being in tournaments is just as much a product of the structure of the MA system as my own will...
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#189296 - 11/09/06 09:36 AM Re: Fighting girls in competition. [Re: pacifist]
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Yup, I believe in that too.

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#189297 - 11/09/06 11:24 AM Re: Fighting girls in competition. [Re: TeK9]
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But it just seems that woman are far less intimidated by grappling than they are with striking an opponenet. Because of my observations I'm ofthe opinion that woman would benefit far more from a grappling school than from a striking school. Does anyone agree? Or has anone seen similar observations?




Hi TeK9,

Thank you. I was just thinking about this (see quote) yesterday after I went for the punching, kicking and throws training for my sport ju-jitsu class yesterday night. I am fine with kicks and throws, but I'm uncomfortable with striking. I have no idea why really, but maybe it's because I'm not used to the punching motion at all.

As for grappling/groundwork, I usually train and spar with my sparring partner (we're the only two regular girls for a few months now) and personally, I feel that I enjoy groundwork more than upper body training. One of my Senseis always says that the girls usually enjoy groundwork more because they're more flexible and it's more practical in a rape situation, if it ever happens (hopefully NOT!).

I have done a little groundwork kata with white/yellow-belt guys before and I felt -very- uncomfortable, especially in the guard positions and even the mounted position. I could tell that they were uncomfortable too.

I'd still go for sport ju-jitsu which has both striking and groundwork components, rather than BJJ, which I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) focuses more on grappling. Who knows, I might need to punch a guy if he comes too close to me and it's not feasible to do a throw or kick. Heh.

Then again, that's just my take. =)

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