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#187999 - 09/22/05 10:53 AM
Striking an oponent in your guard.
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Registered: 07/15/04
Posts: 85
Loc: UK
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So recently weve started doing a lot more sparring with strikes to the body allowed.
I spend a lot of time with people in my guard or with me on to p in sidemount. Do any experienced MMA players ahve any suggestions for effective striking form these positions? Especially strikes to the body (head shots aren't allowed in my training yet, soon though I guess).
Thanks in advance,
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4 years MMA Submission Wrestling / MMA (ongoing)
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#188000 - 09/22/05 11:27 AM
Re: Striking an oponent in your guard.
[Re: AikiGhost]
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Registered: 11/25/04
Posts: 15629
Loc: York PA. USA
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Ditto.
I have found it extremely difficult to strike from the bottom, since you can not swing your elbow past your body to gain any momentum, nor do you have any appreciable hip torque or weight transfer to add to it.
The only good chance to strike is when your opponent sits up (so you sit up with him), and even then, he is usually sitting up to begin pounding YOU.
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#188001 - 09/22/05 12:09 PM
Re: Striking an oponent in your guard.
[Re: AikiGhost]
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 3012
Loc: Torrance, CA
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Aiki,
I am not experienced and don't even consider myself a MMA guy. But I do "wrasle" a bit in BJJ. I am mostly a standup guy, but one of the reasons why I wanted to learn BJJ was for the very reason that you describe.
From my limited experience, I don't think you can strike well from the guard since as Matt suggested, there is no ready way to put your body into the strikes.
I have always thought of the (standard) guard as a brilliant defensive technique from which to make the top player try to commit to a technique and allows you time to take advantage of his movements to pass guard...setting up sweeps and chokes.
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#188002 - 09/22/05 01:29 PM
Re: Striking an oponent in your guard.
[Re: butterfly]
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Registered: 03/12/05
Posts: 7
Loc: WV
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From what I've seen in mma it's not necessarily how hard you hit when on the ground, it's where the strikes land. I'm not sure how many people can take even light strikes to the floating ribs or pressure points with the fingers.
That's just my thoughts on it, but I may be wrong.
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#188004 - 09/22/05 01:50 PM
Re: Striking an oponent in your guard.
[Re: AikiGhost]
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Sleepy-ninja
Registered: 06/02/03
Posts: 312
Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
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I believe striking while in the guard is for making your opponent move from his current position so you can gain an advantage. When someone is struck, the natural reaction is to block or stop the hit. One can use hitting while in the guard to get thier opponent to move as well as to "hurt" them. you don't need to pull way back and try to land a "haymaker" for it to be affective, just use short straight jabs to the soft areas of your opponent, and KEEP hitting, they will move and when they do.USE THE OPPORTUNITY TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.(your opponent will be thinking about avoiding the strikes not advancing thier game. I hope that made sense.(it's like a jab is to boxing).
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#188005 - 09/23/05 12:19 PM
Re: Striking an oponent in your guard.
[Re: AikiGhost]
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 67
Loc: Ashland Illinois
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If your in a fight and in the side control(cross mount), head strikes with elbows will mess somebody up. Or if not that, knee shots to the kidneys.
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#188006 - 09/23/05 12:42 PM
Re: Striking an oponent in your guard.
[Re: AikiGhost]
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Registered: 01/25/03
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Loc: North Carolina
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Quote:
Do any experienced MMA players ahve any suggestions for effective striking form these positions? Especially strikes to the body (head shots aren't allowed in my training yet, soon though I guess).
Thanks in advance,
Grab your opponent's wrist on one side with your opposite hand (cross-grab). Use your opposite hand to hit. you should be wide open. Switch up when he blocks.
Use hitting only to force his guard open and work to pass when he ankles uncross.
-John
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#188007 - 09/23/05 04:01 PM
Re: Striking an oponent in your guard.
[Re: JKogas]
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Registered: 09/22/04
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Quote:
Quote:
Do any experienced MMA players ahve any suggestions for effective striking form these positions? Especially strikes to the body (head shots aren't allowed in my training yet, soon though I guess).
Thanks in advance,
Grab your opponent's wrist on one side with your opposite hand (cross-grab). Use your opposite hand to hit. you should be wide open. Switch up when he blocks.
Use hitting only to force his guard open and work to pass when he ankles uncross.
-John
I think he was reffering to hitting your opponent when YOU are on the bottom. Some people do it. I don't really like to though.
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#188009 - 09/23/05 07:24 PM
Re: Striking an oponent in your guard.
[Re: rideonlythelabel]
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Registered: 01/25/03
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Loc: North Carolina
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I think he was reffering to hitting your opponent when YOU are on the bottom. Some people do it. I don't really like to though.
Damn you're right! I must have completely mis-read the whole thing.
Well that changes everything, lol! As per that, I'm with Fletch (oddly enough). Play spider guard. You're not going to do enough damage striking from the bottom. You gotta control your opponent and work the strikes where you can. The heel kick is going to be your best one for a knock out. That's a solid shot.
Otherwise all you'll have are little annoying shots. I'm usually too busy climbing up and digging for tie-ups to do anything more than maybe hit my opponent with my palms or with the back of my heels.
If you're playing guard, you're going to have to be trying to get back OUT! The energy required to try and keep you down will set up attacks and sweeps.
Shots from the guard (with your fists) will serve a purpose though. If he's trying to posture up, you can unload in his face (straight punching) to get him to hide again. Otherwise, it's unrealistic to think that you can do a lot of damage there unless of course you DO land the heel kick to the face. That should be worked a LOT! Spider guard is something you will to spend a lot of time with.
Hope that helps a little!
-John
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#188010 - 09/23/05 07:41 PM
Re: Striking an oponent in your guard.
[Re: JKogas]
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 3012
Loc: Torrance, CA
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Spider guard again! Doggone it. Damn these too short legs of mine....I'm gonna get rolled.
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#188011 - 09/24/05 10:34 AM
Re: Striking an oponent in your guard.
[Re: butterfly]
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Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 10813
Loc: North Carolina
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Have you experimented with Rubber Guard? Eddie Bravo COULDN'T be much bigger than you are. If you've not seen it, a GREAT book (by Eddie) is available. You'll need a little flexability.......... Here's a link: Jiu-Jitsu Unleashed-John
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#188012 - 09/24/05 10:45 AM
Re: Striking an oponent in your guard.
[Re: JKogas]
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Free Rhinoplasty!
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Registered: 11/25/04
Posts: 15629
Loc: York PA. USA
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Quote by JKogas - Quote:
If you've not seen it, a GREAT book (by Eddie) is available. You'll need a little flexability..........
LOL. Understatement of the century. My rigid ass will NEVER be able to pull the rubber guard off.
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