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#187762 - 09/21/05 03:05 PM sparring in krav
ShikataGaNai Offline
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my krav classes don't generally offer free sparring. we do an excessive amount of defense/attack combo drills with partners holding mitts and shields, but i haven't seen anyone jump in the ring and going head to head using krav technique, we usually just box. is it possible, given the nature of krav and it's quick, effective self defense perspective to engage in prolonged sparring with it? does anyone do this? how effective is krav on krav or other MA's?

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#187763 - 09/21/05 03:41 PM Re: sparring in krav [Re: ShikataGaNai]
globetrotter Offline
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I am not sure if "prolonged" is the right way to refer to it. I have taken part in, and seen, excersizes where there was extensive free style work, but they weren't quite sparring - the object was for one person to get away and the other to put him on the ground, or for one person to get into a room and the other not to let him. they were usually very fast and didn't last more than 15 -30 seconds.

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#187764 - 09/21/05 04:28 PM Re: sparring in krav [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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We address this in a couple of ways. First, we have full contact fighting with gloves, headgear and shin guards. For the most part, we use 50% force, tho some of our dojos do 100%. We also grapple to perfect our ground game. Figting out of our guard etc.. I have added to this with two great seminars, first with Ryan Hoover and Jeff Jimmo, and the other with Bas Rutten and Randy Couture.
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#187765 - 09/21/05 05:01 PM Re: sparring in krav [Re: RangerG]
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well, prolonged was acurate in my mind - 15-30 seconds is a long match for krav!
i guess to further my inquiry, and this is kind of far fetched, but if you were to be attacked by someone who knows and uses the system, would you be able to match up to them, assuming you were proficient in your technique? i could see this being a realistic stiuation in say israel and maybe on a few streets of western cities. a good friend of mine was once beaten up by gang bangers that knew some sort of martial art (he didn't know anything about fighting so they practiced their techniques on him in a sick monkey-in-the-middle kind of manner). i suppose it's not that important, since krav is in no way a sport, but is it practical for combating other MAists?

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#187766 - 09/21/05 06:41 PM Re: sparring in krav [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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I spar with friends who all train in various martial arts and have various levels of experience. I have to say success does not depend on the style you train in. Success depends on HOW HARD YOU TRAIN. So train hard, harder, and the hardest out of anyone you know. Develop faith in yourself and in your abilities to defend yourself and if that kind of situation occurs, you will do fine.

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#187767 - 09/21/05 10:59 PM Re: sparring in krav [Re: umsangil]
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Our school does pretty much what Ranger G's does, full gear with punching, kicking, knees, elbows and takedowns. It's hard to really grapple with boxing gloves on so we usually stop soon after we hit the ground, it depends on who's fighting. This is all during a once weekly "Fight Class" which does not cost extra. The contact is usually supposed to be light, with little or no contact with elbows and knees.

There's nothing about it that is specific to Krav, we don't use the self defense techiques such as getting out of chokes, bearhugs etc, the fighting style ends up being pretty much what you see in the UFC, basic kicks with boxing style punching and some takedowns, except we don't spend too much time on the ground and of course most of us aren't close to being as good as those guys are.

Even though it can be scary I find it very worthwhile, it's easy to start thinking your pretty good when your punching pads and focus mitts, it's a really eye opener when all the things you thought you knew go out the window when someone is trying to hit you in the head.

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#187768 - 09/22/05 12:22 PM Re: sparring in krav [Re: clammy joe]
RangerG Offline
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Quote:

Our school does pretty much what Ranger G's does, full gear with punching, kicking, knees, elbows and takedowns. It's hard to really grapple with boxing gloves on so we usually stop soon after we hit the ground, it depends on who's fighting. This is all during a once weekly "Fight Class" which does not cost extra. The contact is usually supposed to be light, with little or no contact with elbows and knees.

There's nothing about it that is specific to Krav, we don't use the self defense techiques such as getting out of chokes, bearhugs etc, the fighting style ends up being pretty much what you see in the UFC, basic kicks with boxing style punching and some takedowns, except we don't spend too much time on the ground and of course most of us aren't close to being as good as those guys are.

Even though it can be scary I find it very worthwhile, it's easy to start thinking your pretty good when your punching pads and focus mitts, it's a really eye opener when all the things you thought you knew go out the window when someone is trying to hit you in the head.




Very well put!

It is an eye opener, but I still enjoy it..

Randy Couture coached me to try figting south paw, and it has worked wonders for me. I can switch from left to right and back, giving me an edge..
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#187769 - 09/22/05 06:14 PM Re: sparring in krav [Re: RangerG]
Plantman Offline
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Registered: 05/20/05
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Loc: Maimi
I switch from right to left while aprraing and it throws everyone for a loop.

Ranger G, did you get my PM?
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#187770 - 09/22/05 06:40 PM Re: sparring in krav [Re: Plantman]
RangerG Offline
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Registered: 04/18/05
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Loc: Chester County, Pennsylvania
Yep...got the PM..

When I get a break in this hectic schedule.. I'll look him up.
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#187771 - 09/22/05 07:41 PM Re: sparring in krav [Re: RangerG]
Plantman Offline
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Registered: 05/20/05
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Loc: Maimi
I have his number, but I'd rather give it to you privately. Send me a PM if interested.
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