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#187495 - 10/26/05 09:02 AM Re: Need a new sword! [Re: thisguy]
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#187496 - 10/26/05 09:19 AM Re: Need a new sword! [Re: Walter Wong]
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With all due respect swedish powder steel is not even close to being traditional.

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#187497 - 10/26/05 09:34 AM Re: Need a new sword! [Re: Walter Wong]
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Here's some Swedish Powered Steel discussion.




First, it was the little paper ball with power inside, which you could apply to your blade. Now the power of the Swiss is in the steel itself! And I thought anime was just metaphorical.

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#187498 - 10/26/05 01:10 PM Re: Need a new sword! [Re: V34]
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With all due respect, V34, why do several times more work with inferior materials to get an inferior result? Blades made from tamahagne steel are more fragile, not as hard, and not as tough as those that can be made from other steels. Tradition isn't the only factor that exists, and to many people, it isn't the most important.
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#187499 - 10/26/05 03:18 PM Re: Need a new sword! [Re: Benjamin1986]
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I DID THIS AS A TEST. I haven't posted in here in a while. The reason for this is because someone ripped me for not saying traditional terms as in nihonto. They also critisized
me for liking non-taditional Katana's. I love both non and traditional katana's and other swords. That is why I made that statement. This Forum is EXTREMELY CRITICAL ABOUT KATANA'S! SFI is alot more open minded and many people like both traditional and non.

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#187500 - 10/26/05 03:44 PM Re: Need a new sword! [Re: Halley]
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Yes, the Swedish have Powered steel! The steel glows.

Just kiddin. Thanks for catching that Ed.

I find this forum is pretty open about Nihonto and nonNihonto.
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#187501 - 10/27/05 08:17 AM Re: Need a new sword! [Re: Benjamin1986]
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With all due respect, V34, why do several times more work with inferior materials to get an inferior result? Blades made from tamahagne steel are more fragile, not as hard, and not as tough as those that can be made from other steels. Tradition isn't the only factor that exists, and to many people, it isn't the most important.




With all due respect, what do you expect to do with a sword that requires it to be that tough? The katana was made to cut flesh. The traditional katana still cuts flesh very well. Test cutting is done on makiwara and green bamboo, which replicate flesh and bone, and the katana can cut through these easily, too.

What exactly are you going to do with the sword? Cut up cars and bricks? Sure, we can say a traditional katana is "inferior" in that sense, but there are many tools that are much more appropriate to those tasks. A katana just isn't meant for these things, and the arts that teach the use of a katana concentrate on poking and cutting soft humans. Swedish powdered steel is overkill for this purpose. Great if you have it, but "superior"? Not really.

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#187502 - 10/27/05 10:57 AM Re: Need a new sword! [Re: splice]
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A non traditionally made Japanese blade would be superior for a beginner in cutting. Starting your cutting career with a 10,000 dollar nihonto is just asking for a wrecked blade.

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#187503 - 10/27/05 11:38 AM Re: Need a new sword! [Re: paradoxbox]
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A non traditionally made Japanese blade would be superior for a beginner in cutting. Starting your cutting career with a 10,000 dollar nihonto is just asking for a wrecked blade.




And in that same sense, a bottom of the barrel chinese made katana that costs $300 US would be superior for a beginner in cutting. But it's in no way superior to a traditionally made blade used for traditional reasons.

I'm not saying swedish powdered steel is evil or wrecks a sword, obviously it's quite nice (except for the togishi). But unless you do tameshigiri daily, I don't see the reason for paying more for it.

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#187504 - 10/27/05 02:14 PM Re: Need a new sword! [Re: splice]
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And in that same sense, a bottom of the barrel chinese made katana that costs $300 US would be superior for a beginner in cutting. But it's in no way superior to a traditionally made blade used for traditional reasons.





If anything beginners should steer even further away from cheap junk than more experienced practioners, as they are far more likley to botch cuts bad enough to risk breaking a cheap blade. A broken blade can maim even the beginner wielding it.
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