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#187467 - 10/22/05 08:36 AM Re: Point of the Week - Stomach 9 [Re: CVV]
underdog Offline
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Registered: 09/18/04
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Loc: Mansfield, MA U.S.A.
Yesterday I found a nice grab for this point some of you might like. From in front of uke, stick your left thumb into uke's right side St 9 while you put your left index into his right side LI 17. You are pinching or using an open ridge grab on the sternal head of the muscle. Twist clockwise. You ought to feel that deep right through the brachial plexus. It makes uke raise his shoulder, turn his head toward opposite leg, and makes the opposite knee buckle, which of course, sets up the kick to the inside of the left knee or above it say K1, or L9 or SP 10. I also got a rear choke from it instead of the kick since uke is turning so far already for me. Try it. I hope you like it. I'm going to try it on a bunch of people this week.
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#187468 - 10/26/05 12:16 PM Re: Point of the Week - Stomach 9 [Re: Gavin]
Shi Miao Zun Offline
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Renying St 9 is also known as heavens five meetings, it is a very good point for regulating and harmonising the qi flow between the body and head, or deharmonising as the case may be. A squeeze to Gb20 will help to bring qi back into the head after it has been disrupted, this point will relax muscles and tendons, and harmonises blood and qi.

Please take care if striking this point, permanant damage to the corotid sinus is very possible.

Kind regards,
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#187469 - 10/26/05 12:43 PM Re: Point of the Week - Stomach 9 [Re: Shi Miao Zun]
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Thanks Shi Miao Zun for the input and nice website. From your Bio it looks like you've been around the block a few times!

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#187470 - 10/26/05 07:38 PM Re: Point of the Week - Stomach 9 [Re: Gavin]
Shi Miao Zun Offline
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Thanks, I like your point of the week it keeps me on my toes with my points. I sent you a pm regarding the dillman clip if you still have a copy that would be great.

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#187471 - 04/01/07 07:36 PM Re: Point of the Week - Stomach 9 [Re: Shi Miao Zun]
ExCon Offline
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I have a couple of questions and if itís already been covered on this thread then I missed it, sorry.

How long does it take to KO a person by pressing on this PP, 5 to 10 seconds longer?
Will pressing sufficiently hard always cause unconsciousness?

Thanks

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#187472 - 04/02/07 08:02 AM Re: Point of the Week - Stomach 9 [Re: ExCon]
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Don't press on St 9 without qualified supervision and the consent of your training partner.
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#187473 - 04/02/07 09:33 AM Re: Point of the Week - Stomach 9 [Re: underdog]
ExCon Offline
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Quote:

Don't press on St 9 without qualified supervision and the consent of your training partner.


Good advice but it doesnít answer my question.

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#187474 - 04/03/07 08:07 AM Re: Point of the Week - Stomach 9 [Re: ExCon]
underdog Offline
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There are too many variables such as technique, intention, set up points, other points attacked simultaneously, are you working a choke deliberately? age of uke? etc. too answer your question simplistically. In a quick attack with intention and a deliberate choke, uke would be out in maybe 3 seconds. He could also have a stroke. You could also kill him. Is that the answer you want? As stated, this is not a move for an unsupervised beginner. I'm also a tad reluctant to give pressure point information to someone I don't know who chooses to call himself "excon".
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#187475 - 04/03/07 08:59 AM Re: Point of the Week - Stomach 9 [Re: underdog]
ExCon Offline
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Quote:

In a quick attack with intention and a deliberate choke, uke would be out in maybe 3 seconds. He could also have a stroke. You could also kill him. Is that the answer you want?




Yes, thank you. Could you provide more medical evidence?

I have no intension of trying this on my training partners. Realistically, I probably wonít have the presence of mind to use this in a self-defense situation. Iím asking out of an academic curiosity more than anything.

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#187476 - 04/03/07 01:59 PM Re: Point of the Week - Stomach 9 [Re: ExCon]
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To ExCon and other curious MMA type folk, Underdog's (and Gavin's) job requires her to actually use and apply the stuff she describes here. While I have had my doubts about pressure points, I do not doubt Underdog's knowledge or abilities at all. Trust me when I tell you that she would know what works and what does not.


Edited by MattJ (04/04/07 07:44 PM)
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