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#187102 - 09/21/05 04:09 PM Re: Question about expandable batons? [Re: paradoxbox]
yourownsluth Offline
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Registered: 08/29/05
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Good points about cheap junk. I have used batons from Asian World and never had any major problems for training. They are not law enforcement grade but should do fine for what you want. If you are not concerned with shaking it out for high and low ready stances and just want a stick, I would suggest looking more at safety. Try a dowel rod and wrap it with the foam they put on AC pipes. It won't affect your training but will be appreciated by your uke.

Asian World also has a fiber glass club. Durable but it bends. We have destroyed a few of them.


Stay away from aluminum if you can. They tend to bind over time. If you have the funds, go with law enforcement quality.

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#187103 - 10/06/05 07:26 AM Re: Question about expandable batons? [Re: paradoxbox]
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I'd recomend your shins. You have two of them and they are with you at all times.
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#187104 - 10/07/05 11:19 AM Re: Question about expandable batons? [Re: funstick5000]
Cord Offline
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in sunny england the police either carry the strait baton (we refer to them as night-sticks) or a hybrid version which is basically a expandable tonfa.




British police carry the asp expandable baton as per US police issue. In the UK these are only available for purchase to licensed law enforcement officers,general public and security guards/officers are not allowed to carry them, we have to rely on maglight torches of no bigger than 5 D cell battery capacity (6 cell considered an 'offensive weapon' as it cannot be justified for merely being a torch)

Not to be picky but old fashioned solid straight sticks used by police were called 'truncheons' by UK police, and 'nightsticks' by US forces.
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#187105 - 10/08/05 08:32 AM Re: Question about expandable batons? [Re: Cord]
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i've seen both the asp sticks and what i reffered to as 'hybrid' i think its probably the discretion of the officer.

and i've always heard of the old fashoin sticks being called trucheons and the expandable batons as nightsticks.
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#187106 - 10/08/05 01:27 PM Re: Question about expandable batons? [Re: funstick5000]
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Registered: 09/15/04
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That got me to thinking if anyone sells collapsable jutte/jitte. That would be an interesting thing to have.

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#187107 - 11/08/05 09:56 AM century [Re: paradoxbox]
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i bought a century MA (centuryfitness.com) baton ($20) not too long ago.. it expands at the flick of the wrist. 21". i played with my first one a lot and it eventually wouldn't stay open.. just wouldn't stick. i got a replacement for just the shipping cost and i havent really practiced with it much. just kinda keep it around in case. i practice with my rattan sticks instead.

i wouldn't really recommend it since my first one screwed up on me. id really like to get an ASP, but they're just so damn expensive. i guess its better to pay $50 for something that works than $20 for something that doesnt though.
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#187108 - 06/01/06 04:39 PM Re: Question about expandable batons? [Re: paradoxbox]
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I agree with with the comments about the poor quality of collapsible batons that most MA gear stores have available.

The ASP and the Monadnock are good. Both are made of steel, not aluminum.

The latter has the advantage of a button on the tail end for collapsing instead of requiring hitting the tip on a hard surface the way the ASP does. The ASP has a less resistant snap-out action, and a small bare steel tip instead of a somewhat larger, plastic covered tip. Take your pick, depending on your situation, i.e. the most likely set of situations you anticipate encountering. I prefer the ASP for outdoors (due mainly to the slighly faster deployment speed), the Monadnock for indoors (due to the button collapse feature). With either baton, you should practice striking as the baton decollapses, i.e. practice the snap out move as a strike.

By the way, I recommend strongly against the hard plastic LE baton sold by Monadnock; they break too easily. An oak baton may break, too, and send a sharp piece flying, but I've never broken a hickory baton, or seen one break. I sometimes like hickory for in-hand conspicuous carry, e.g. in a crowd patrol situation, but I prefer the collapsible for concealed (usually waistband obscured by shirt) or belt carry. If you don't already have the hickory baton in your hand, it deploys too slowly, e.g. from a duty belt ring, so the collapsible is preferable for most LE situations.

I also recommend against the PR-24. The side handle doesn't confer any important tactical benefits, encourages the use of techniques that are too slow or are otherwise insufficiently effective, and gets in the way of some important baton tactics.

Be safe.

Regards,

Cu29

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#187109 - 06/06/06 06:07 PM Re: Question about expandable batons? [Re: paradoxbox]
SmithNWessonDo Offline
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Registered: 06/06/06
Posts: 33
Loc: North Texas
The first thing to consider before purchasing a baton is to note the legality of possessing such a weapon. Be sure to check with your applicable government's laws regarding who may carry them and when. In the United States, law enforcement officers generally may carry them at any time and security guards may carry them, but only in certain states and only if properly certified and only while on duty and in uniform.

Personally, I own several types, a 31 inch asp, a wooden nightstick (or truncheon if you prefer), a steel straight baton, and a steel cross-handle baton.
I've found, as others here pointed out, any clubbing device sold at martial arts retailers is generally of poor durability and for display or ceremonial purposes only. Asp, PPCT, and Monadnock usually have the best quality batons.

I've found the expandable batons are ideal for portability since they fit conveniently into a small scabbard on the duty belt. I do prefer the asp in this regard since it is really durable and the Monadnock version of the expandable is pretty expensive. The asp also has a really powerful ballistic destructive capability.

The drawback of the expandable baton, however, is that it takes a longer period of time to remove it from the scabbard and extend it than it does to remove a stick or PR-24 from a belt ring with one hand and simply thrust forward.
I do like the durability of the straight baton and PR-24 in regard to their ability to block melee weapon attacks with any part of the shaft and their usefulness in applying grappling holds on a subject's arms while applying handcuffs.

The drawback of the non-expandable baton is its lack of portability. You generally have to remove it from your belt before getting in the car and take the time to put it back on after getting out. It can also be an annoyance if you ever have to run after somebody since it hits you in the knee repeatedly and can slip out of its ring and fall on the ground. It is also a lot harder to retain.

Which ever weapon you prefer, pick the one you're most familiarized with.
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