Hi all. New to this board. Have a question about Chin Na. I learned some of it when I took Wing Chun a few years back. Loved China, Wing Chun wasn't my cup of tea. Anyone know if there is a way to study only Chin Na?
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hey man wats up...i currently study under teakwondo and bagua zhang and man combining these to arts is beautiful...neways u wanted info on chin na..i dont know wer u from but from where i am(tri-state area, NYC, NJ)u'll find chin na instructors...personally ur best bet is to look for a bagua zhang school or taichi..there u can find good chin na or look around ur town or state if not then come to nyc...
Chin Na is a component of most Chinese systems, as in general it represents grappling technique (sure thats a high level abstraction, but it's easier for quick discussion). Some systems do more, some systems do less.
Systems like Northern Mantis, and Northern Eagle Claw are largely comprised of grappling techniques, with the major difference in teh grabbing technique, not the overall locks. And grappling is not just hands, but requires full body committment to make a technique work. Even systesm like BaGua and Tai Chi contain ChinNa.
All the systems, even with similarities,are also very different. Locking in Northern Eagle Claw is ultra extremely painful and effective, but it takes an extremely long time training to get to that level.
The most comphrensive program presentind ChinNa as a stand alone art seems to be that devised by Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming, incorporating ChinNa from multiple systems (notably White Crane and Eagle Claw among them).
He has running training clinics and ChinNa only classes for decades, in additon to his other teachings. And when it comes to supporting product, his books are among the best explaining ChinNa in basics, in how they work against a very wide range of attacks, and he also offers a very wide range of video's on ChinNa covering the material in the books too.
I cannot think of anyone presenting ChinNa more completely in general. He travels world wide and his material is avaiable from his group YMAA or his books at all the major book stores in the Sports/Martial Arts sections.
Hope this helps abit.
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Most Chinese martial arts systems have a set of Chin Na techniques. Chin Na as I understand it, is a set of techniques that focus on manipulating the joints of the body. The techiniques lead an opponent into submission due to the pressure being applied to the joint. If the person does not submit, their joint or apendage may be dislocated or broken. Chin Na is a wonderful tool to have when you are fighting in a close range situation. The split second blast of pain that comes from a joint lock can disrupt your opponent's intent for the split second needed to gain an advantageous position and attack them.
Quote: Anyone know if there is a way to study only Chin Na?
Personally I would want to have more than just Chin Na in my repitoir. You need a way to get in on an opponent that will set him up for the chin na technique.
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Quote: i currently study under teakwondo and bagua zhang and man combining these to arts is beautiful
What style of Bagua do you study? I am curious as to how are combining Tae Kwon Do and Baguazhang. I am also curious about your application of chin na within Bagua.
IMO, as far as Chin Na is concerned; there are only so many ways that the body can move. Knowledge of the ranges of motion within the body alows you to not only move more freely but also alows you to see where your opponent's structure is vulnerable. The joints of the body only bend is so many ways, Chin Na exploits this so that you may use your opponents joits to manipulate their body.
I have some Wing Chun, and am currently taking Pekiti-Tirsia, so getting in on an opponent is not a difficulty. I also have my defensive tactics training from my days as a Deputy Sheriff.
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All true...just don't do the the Pa Kua chain I've discussed on another thread here. It's laughable.
If you can't find a school teaching real Chin-na, you might consider Shorinji Kempo or traditional Japanese Jujutsu (Daito-ryu not BJJ). Most of the concepts/techniques are very similar.
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Quote: I also have my defensive tactics training from my days as a Deputy Sheriff.
I could see where Chin Na could be quite effective in subduing a criminal. With the Bagua that I've done, you are using the Chin Na as an approach method so you can gain entry on my opponent and take him down. This chin na is done to create a point of control on my opponents body. I use this point as my handle and either move my opponents body around or move around the point of the hold to gain an advantageous position.
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hey man wats up...ok ok, it might seem weird combining teakwondo and bagua zhang..the thing is that bagua zhang has helped me so much in close combat fighting as well as getting behind an opponent wich is wat bagua zhang is all about getting behind an opponent and disrupting the opponents energy and angles. very effective in teakwondo i recomend to everyone...wat i'm saying is that bagua zhang complements any style do to the way its practiced if done right...bagua zhang has grappling, sweeps, very powerful low kicks and open hand strikes wich ones self must be careful when executing...the style of bagua zhang i study in is YIN FU BAGUA ZHANG wich is rigid yet soft and very very sneaky...the rigid comes from chin na principles and the softness comes from taichi chuan...i can keep goin and goin but thats it for now..maybe next time...
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