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#186275 - 09/15/05 11:30 PM Re: A post to end all style vs. style effectiveness [Re: butterfly]
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#186276 - 09/15/05 11:34 PM Re: A post to end all style vs. style effectivenes [Re: shotokanwarrior19]
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Ok i was surfing the net just now and came across another martial arts site like this one with a forum and almost 50% of the posts were style vs. style bashing and which would be more effective on the street and which ones are not. I have seen endless posts on here about the same subject and i'm sure someone else has posted a post like this one before to try and put an end to it all, but i felt like writing this because i'm just kinda venting because i'm sick of all this style vs. style crap and street effectiveness. I have been training in martial arts for over 7 years now, not a very long time i know. I hold a 1st dan in shotokan but i have also cross trained in Kajukenpo, judo and tae kwon do. All of which i saw its strong points and weak points, all martial arts have them no matter who says otherwise. NO style is better than the other, every style has its effectiveness and it all depends on the training of the techniques and the conditioning. The martial artist has control over his/her own effectiveness by the way they train themselves. I am thoroughly convinced that even though some masters may say otherwise that strength and size do matter, after 7 years of training the people who are more street ready are the ones who workout outside the dojo lifting weights and conditioning themselves. This may seem like common sense it may not to some. I have grown sick of people who think they can beat a 6'5 mountain of muscle, its possible if u can get a good kick to the groin or a throat strike and a few other techniques such as eye gouging but otherwise ur done unless u can escape thats ur best bet or avoid the confrontation all together, this is where martial arts are the most effective, awareness. And just to put this aside before i continue, yes big people have the same pressure points as anyone but they are extremely hard to execute on someone who is larger. I know i'm gonna get bashed by the people who have been brainwashed to think they can beat bigger people, yea they have a slight chance but very slight. And just to get the record straight by big people i mean people who are not near ur height or weight range because most people will not pick on people who they think can beat them so they are normally bigger and in most cases much bigger but anyway, don't get me wrong, i want to believe i can beat someone who is bigger than me, i'm only 5'10 160, i'm by no means big. I will definetly say that if u pit a small martial arts against a big attacker they would have a better chance of survival than a small normal person but its a small chance and its a chance to take to train in the martial arts, thats why i am. Now for the striking vs. grappling debate, there is no debate because in a real fight u don't know if it will end up on the ground or stand up, yea a grappler would want to take it to the ground but how can anyone predict he will? You can't, its impossible, debates like that are just stupid. Anything can happen in a street fight, anyone can win any given day, martial arts will help to prepare u for that but no art can prepare u better than the other, YOU can prepare yourself better by ur training in and outside the dojo. The art you are training in is just stepping stone, to reach the top you need to take the extra steps to be a better martial artist. I know i'm probably gonna get slammed by some people for this post but its what i believe, after over 7 years of training i have come to this conclusion, yea 7 years isn't much i know but its a logical conclusion.


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What?
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#186277 - 09/15/05 11:37 PM Re: A post to end all style vs. style effectivenes [Re: Isshinryukid4life]
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oh no you didn't just quote that entire post, just to respond 'what'.

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#186278 - 09/15/05 11:47 PM Re: A post to end all style vs. style effectiveness [Re: Kintama]
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Do you still accept new students for this extremely rare and devastating style, GRANDMASTER KINTAMA?
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#186279 - 09/15/05 11:54 PM Re: A post to end all style vs. style effectiveness [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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#186280 - 09/16/05 01:26 AM Re: A post to end all style vs. style effectiveness [Re: UofM Shorin Ryu]
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It's better to get out that stress and aggression on the forum through a long paragraph of rambling interwoven with highly relevant key points than to take it out on the street...




The story of how I came to fightingarts:

*Hits the street*

"Ouch..."

*Whack whack*

"Hey, this isn't a good idea at all! I should find a public place where I can take out my aggression. I'm kinda lazy though, and all that's in reaching distance is this computer..."

Now, I'm hooked .
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#186281 - 09/16/05 03:09 AM Re: A post to end all style vs. style effectivenes [Re: Foolsgold]
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Well said, badly typed. =]

I agree MA's will not teach you to take on 4 people at once, or that one is superior to the other, I do believe a smaller person can win a self defense situation though. I mean, you said the people who you think would win are the ones who go outside the dojo and further better them selves, obviously they are pushing harder and more than likely training with the same passion in the dojo. Would a small person who trains in such a way effectively defend themselves against a larger person who's sole weapon is size? Who knows, but sometimes good money is on the small guy with the sling shot.
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#186282 - 09/16/05 03:52 AM Re: A post to end all style vs. style effectiveness [Re: shotokanwarrior19]
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Hey guys, dont knock the stream of conscious writing style. Karouac wrote 'on the Road' on a 50 foot long reem of paper, in one long drug fuelled sitting. Moments of inspiration do not respect punctuation

Nice Rant, nice points. No arguments.
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#186283 - 09/16/05 06:15 AM Re: A post to end all style vs. style effectivenes [Re: AkhilleusWeeps]
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I agree with Achilles.
Big guys have an advantage but size is not the end-all of fights. For arguement's sake, say two guys with the same skill set but have a foot separating them. I believe the the bigger guy has an advantage of say 60 vs 40 percent but the other guys still has that 40%. Dont underestimate mental power. I know this kid who is in our class who is 5 foot but he would kick my butt all day long! There are people who have a great deal of skill and a great deal of resilience. Height gives you a reach advantage and weight a power advantage, but it doesnmt make you immune to getting hit, an elbow to the head still hurts, a broken nose still dazes you. Isnt that the point of martial arts? To even the odds?
I completely agree with you with what you say about style vs style being pointless but I do not agree with what you say about height. If you are 5.10 and 160 pounds and cant take on a dude who is 6'5 then maybe you should re-evaluate your training methods.

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Now for the striking vs. grappling debate, there is no debate because in a real fight u don't know if it will end up on the ground or stand up, yea a grappler would want to take it to the ground but how can anyone predict he will? You can't, its impossible, debates like that are just stupid. Anything can happen in a street fight, anyone can win any given day, martial arts will help to prepare u for that but no art can prepare u better than the other, YOU can prepare yourself better by ur training in and outside the dojo



This is the only bit where you actually adressed the style vs style arguement.


Edited by MAGr (09/16/05 06:17 AM)

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#186284 - 09/16/05 06:55 AM Re: A post to end all style vs. style effectivenes [Re: MAGr]
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Registered: 03/08/05
Posts: 129
Loc: Cortland, OH, USA
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I agree with Achilles.
Big guys have an advantage but size is not the end-all of fights. For arguement's sake, say two guys with the same skill set but have a foot separating them. I believe the the bigger guy has an advantage of say 60 vs 40 percent but the other guys still has that 40%. Dont underestimate mental power. I know this kid who is in our class who is 5 foot but he would kick my butt all day long! There are people who have a great deal of skill and a great deal of resilience. Height gives you a reach advantage and weight a power advantage, but it doesnmt make you immune to getting hit, an elbow to the head still hurts, a broken nose still dazes you. Isnt that the point of martial arts? To even the odds?
I completely agree with you with what you say about style vs style being pointless but I do not agree with what you say about height. If you are 5.10 and 160 pounds and cant take on a dude who is 6'5 then maybe you should re-evaluate your training methods.

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Now for the striking vs. grappling debate, there is no debate because in a real fight u don't know if it will end up on the ground or stand up, yea a grappler would want to take it to the ground but how can anyone predict he will? You can't, its impossible, debates like that are just stupid. Anything can happen in a street fight, anyone can win any given day, martial arts will help to prepare u for that but no art can prepare u better than the other, YOU can prepare yourself better by ur training in and outside the dojo



This is the only bit where you actually adressed the style vs style arguement.





As far as size i was leaning more toward people who are say 6'5 but built like a truck, i'm not talkin about a normal 6'5 person because otherwise the odds are much greater the smaller, better trained fighter would most likely win. My post was pretty much a rant on style vs. style, effectiveness in a street fight and so on. It was just a rant against everything i've seen said to me personally and on the internet.
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