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#186046 - 12/03/05 05:29 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: csinca]
RangerG Offline
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Registered: 04/18/05
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Loc: Chester County, Pennsylvania
I think it is safe to assume that the majority of Krav taught in the US is the general civilian version. There may be a former member of the IDF that teaches more than the general class plan, but that would be an anomaly and not the rule.

Also keep in mind that there are two factions of Krav as well. There is not a lot of love between them, if you get my drift.

I hope I am making sense with my answers...I just got back from day two of supporting a friend in instructor testing...and I have a huge headache..

Edited by RangerG (12/03/05 05:34 PM)
"If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough."

#186047 - 12/04/05 10:57 AM Re: US or Israel? [Re: trevek]
csinca Offline
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Registered: 04/16/03
Posts: 672
Loc: Southern California

Having worked in a bar, I've seen bottles used as both clubs and missiles. There's also the scenario of throwing a bottle to break and shatter onto the guy below. Nasty.

Does the scenario change much if you replace "bottles" with "hand grenades" in this story?

#186048 - 12/04/05 02:19 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: csinca]
trevek Offline
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Registered: 05/15/05
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Having only thrown grenades at dummies I've not seen the results, but I'll hazard a guess that the result might be similar (if more bloody) in that greanades scatter hot shrapnel etc and once thrown there is little to do but get out of the way or hug the nearest sumo wrestler and fall on the floor under them.

Naturally, I stand to be corrected (if the sumo wrestler didn't squash me or the grenade get me).
See how well I block your punches with my jaw!!

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#186049 - 12/05/05 10:35 AM Re: US or Israel? [Re: trevek]
globetrotter Offline
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Registered: 01/10/05
Posts: 637
Loc: ny usa
having been in the IDF, in the "Special forces", studied krav as a soldier at wingate the "shoalin temple of krav" and now being just a regular milddle aged guy, I have my own perspective.

1. I really think that most of these guys teaching who present themselves as having been in the "special forces" are really selling a load of crap. I was in a very good unit, and took the best course in krav available to a combatant - that is a person who is involved in combat, not an instructor- and I am nowhere near qualified to teach.

2. I find it distastful that some vetrans go out and teach military skills to people who don't need them. one day I will teach my son a thing or two, possibly how to handle a firearm, possibly a little bit about fighting, but I have no intention of teaching anybody any additional military skills.

3. I really don't think that krav schools should be in the business of teaching military skills, at all

4. the flip side of that, krav is about being able to do damage, and it shoulnd't be made more gentle.

5. I am a fat old man with a little kid. the only way I will ever get into a fight is if somebody attacks me, and I can't talk him out of it. if that happens, I will not be playing around, I will be tearing out his throat and eyes and crushing his knees, kidney and testicles. one of us will be in the hospital or morgue at the end of the scuffle

6. as to the poster who said something about palestinian demonstrators - keep in mind that the vast majority of those "demonstrators" were healthy young men, often farm oys or men who had been working in construction since their childhood. very often 5-10 soldiers, armed with night sticks, would find themselves facing 50 or so young men armed with stones, bottles, and knives. this is a great deal more challenging than conflicts against terrorists - when you go in after a terrorist, it is very clear that the terrorist will end up in a bag.

#186050 - 12/06/05 11:18 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: globetrotter]
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Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 62
Loc: Maimi
If you wanted to learn how to play th epiano, would you only learn it half assed?

If you can get the military training, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Having some [censored] claim to be ex IDF and special this or that to make money sucks, but we live in a capitalist society.

To get bakc to the original post, I doubt you can learn Krav better anywhere in the world than is Israel.

It's not just the instructors, it's the students, they are more intense(i"ve heard from a buddy who's been). A lot of these guys have been practicing this from a very young age.

How is it possible we can have the quantity of proficient people here in the US if that's the case.

I heard that in Netanya, the birthplace of Krav, the place is littered with schools(relatively speaking), so it may be watered down if ou got to the wrong one there as well.

I plan on going to Israel at some point to train with Haim Gidon on the IKMA. Maybe next year.

Be safe, If not kick someones ass.

#186051 - 12/20/05 07:42 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: Plantman]
firecoins Offline

Registered: 12/14/05
Posts: 2
Loc: NYC
ISraeli training is more intense.

I am interested in kearning the military skills. I see no problem with it as I have never got into a fight and don't plan to anythime soon. Since 9/11, the London bombings, the Spanish bombings and the shoe bomber, I say some of the military skills could come in handy.

You can find schools in various different MAs that teach rather brutal techniques. Krav doesn't necessarily need to teach them.

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