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#186026 - 11/10/05 04:04 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: RangerG]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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uhmmm, don't they speak hebrew?

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#186027 - 11/10/05 05:16 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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uhmmm, don't they speak hebrew?




Yes. I have it on very good authority that they do speak Hebrew in Israel.
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#186028 - 11/12/05 08:03 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: RangerG]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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Quote:

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uhmmm, don't they speak hebrew?




Yes. I have it on very good authority that they do speak Hebrew in Israel.




good, cause i'd hate to think my jewish family would have lied to me all these years

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#186029 - 11/13/05 11:44 AM Re: US or Israel? [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Registered: 01/10/05
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most people involved in krav maga that speak arabic are about as happy as heavy bags are in a boxing gym. hebrew is the langauge of israel.

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#186030 - 11/19/05 12:37 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: RangerG]
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Well , it's not realy in the disscution, but I live in israel and practice Karate.

I just find it amusing..

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#186031 - 11/19/05 01:07 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: Celerity]
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Well , it's not realy in the disscution, but I live in israel and practice Karate.

I just find it amusing..




I see nothing wrong with that. One should practice the art they find suits them, regardless of where they live or the language they speak.
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#186032 - 11/30/05 03:08 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: RangerG]
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I am new to Krav and I train with an instructor who was in the Isreali Special Forces (I forget what unit). He tends to teach the Krav technique "by the book", followed by more aggressive, military "endings" for the manuevers. He also will throw in extra military drills such as granade disarms and bomber identification and take downs to make classes more interesting. Most of us will never have to use those skills, but it is always useful to gain new knowledge, especially from someone who has taken down suicide bombers in public places.
In addition to learning how to cause the most damage to our opponent, we learn about appropriate levels of force and are made completely aware of the ramifications of certain manuevers (such as throat strikes).
I feel that I gain a lot from having an instructor who has actually used his Krav skills in the field. I do believe that someone's belt level or practical experience does not necessarily measure their ability to convey the information to me, but in my situation I think I have the best of all worlds, an instructor with teaching skills and field experience.

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#186033 - 12/01/05 01:28 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: stvb7]
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I don't mean to dis you or your instructor, but why would you want all that military training if you're not going into war? I also think it's great that your instructor teaches "necessary amount of force" but that seems to sort of counter the "endings" doesn't it?
I personally think that teaching students how to "finish" a fight does two things - it instills a false sense of confidence (because you didn't take the chance to run when you had it) and it endangers other people. I don't believe that someone should be put to death for trying to jack your wallet, i don't care what anyone says.
There are so many of these Krav instructors that are promising "real military training" and all that, as if it's an honor to be trained by someone who likely used their technique on more palestinian protesters than they did on actual trained combatants. I don't think most real warriors brag about how many of anyone they have taken down no matter who it is.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be harsh, but as a Jew, a Krav practitioner and someone who has acquaintences on both sides of the conflict in Israel I am getting sick and tired of people teaching militarized martial arts. Krav Maga's place in America should be one of strict self defense. Leave the grenade disarms and crap to the professionals.

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#186034 - 12/01/05 04:17 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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As a non-Krav guy I've got to admit, that I agree with this. I am rather concerned about some of the paramilitary types attracted to Krav (from what I've seen). However, it is marketed that way here in Poland. The barman of my local sported a club t-shirt with some thing like a Mossad hit squad on it!

At a local demo of MA the Krav guy basically showed something which looked like if someone spilled your drink you battered him to death with a table and dialled for a helicopter strike and slammed the mobile up his orifice for the heatseekers to find.

The same guy asked for a volunteer from the audience, gave him a knife to hold against his (the Krav guy's) throat, "If you feel me move, cut me!"

Is this the kind of image Krav has (or wants) worldwide?
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#186035 - 12/01/05 05:00 PM Re: US or Israel? [Re: trevek]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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It sort of defies grandmaster Lichtenfeld's original philosophy of it - "so that one may walk in peace".

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