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#185970 - 09/17/05 03:59 AM Re: Karate X2 [Re: McSensei]
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Registered: 07/06/05
Posts: 145
Loc: Essex,England
Hi Mcsensei,

I personally would jump at the chance to train with Steve Rowe, you've got a firm grounding in your current system, so i can't see how any harm can be done, if you consider your current style to be your mother system, then it's good to go out and experiment with other practices, because apart from furthering your knowledge sometimes it can make a refreshing change! kind regards,

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#185971 - 09/17/05 10:52 AM Re: Karate X2 [Re: McSensei]
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Registered: 05/22/05
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Loc: Fukuoka, Japan
As I was once advised, "Forget your other style." If you're going to cross train in two similar styles at the same time, I'd say go for it, but just do whatever it takes to forget that you ever learned another style. When I do Goju-ryu, I tell myself beforehand that I don't know Shorin-ryu. I don't know how to snap like a whip and I don't know about light movement. I don't know linear blocks, hip chambers, or using deep stances.

If you can make something like that a mantra and go back to feeling like a beginner, and resist the urge to compare your two styles while you're on the dojo floor, you can make it work. Basically, you have to know how different the styles are, and then tell yourself to work against what your body wants to do.
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#185972 - 09/17/05 01:30 PM Re: Karate X2 [Re: Shidokai]
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you make ShorinRyu sound like Shotokan.
linear blocking, hip chamber, deep stances in Shorin? more like angular blocking/body positioning, midbody guard hand, and never stances which are too deep.
There is some overlap between similar styles, cat-stance for example is identical between goju and shorin (as far as I can tell and been shown).
I think I know what you mean though, when you say 'forget' the other style...it's like when you learn another language, it's always better to think in terms of the language instead of mentally translating from one language to another.

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#185973 - 09/17/05 09:13 PM Re: Karate X2 [Re: Kintama]
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In Kobayashi Shorin, we start working from zenkutsu as the first stance. It's not a deep zenkutsu, but it's deeper than a Sanchin dachi. The more standard stance then becomes uke-ashi dachi, probably similar to Shizentai dachi. We don't have a shiko dachi, and instead use heiko dachi. From what I can tell, our neko-ashi dachi is the same...except higher. We chamber at the hip like Shotokan as well, and while a lot of what we do is angular, it's really linear angular, point to point movements in explosive patterns. There's also a lot of deep stepping and we don't do a midbody guard hand, as a rule.

Kobayashi Shorin-ryu has almost the same lineage as Shotokan, with the branching at Chibana, but both were affected by Itosu's attempts to get the art put into the Okinawan public middle schools. Funakoshi and Chibana both interpreted what their teachers had wanted to do with the arts, and in some ways both went in something of the same direction, with notable differences.
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#185974 - 09/17/05 09:55 PM Re: Karate X2 [Re: Shidokai]
Kintama Offline
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interesting, thanks for explaining. The guard hand is a bit surprizing...that would indeed be a difficult habit to break for me!

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#185975 - 09/21/05 03:04 PM Re: Karate X2 [Re: McSensei]
roniwankan Offline
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Registered: 08/31/05
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Loc: Brazil, Goias
Differences between karate styles lives basically on kata.
The punchs and kicks are almost the same, and sometimes change the names.
What will really happen is the winning of more kinds of kata.
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#185976 - 09/21/05 11:45 PM Re: Karate X2 [Re: roniwankan]
Shidokai Offline
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Registered: 05/22/05
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...Not on your life. No. Not correct. Uh-uh. Not a chance. Impossible. Not gonna happen. Wrong.

Kata is the first difference. What you just said is the same as saying that wrestling and Judo are the same thing. They're not. Not even a little bit.

A kick is a kick, and a punch is a punch, that's correct, but the subtleties of the power generation, ways that people use their bodies, and the delivery are all different.

If you mean "kata" as in the Japanese "shikata," which is "way of doing things," then yes, you're correct. But the forms are not the thing that define the form in the same way as power generation or styles of body movement. Those are the big differences, and they're quite hard to change when you understand them.
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