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#185890 - 09/20/05 10:19 AM Re: Vegan vs. Omnivore [Re: Cord]
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Good point one armed piker, (couldnt you have a shorter name?- can I just call you 'pikey' in future responses? )




Hehe, "Pikey"--has a sort of gypsy bare knuckle boxer ambience to it.

Sure, "Pikey" or AMP is fine.

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My explanation was not in continuance of the vegetarian/meat argument, merely addressing a direct question. I eat Biltong (south african style beef jerky) at least once per week, if not more- cracking good stuff for omnivors.




Biltong--sounds good.

I like venison jerky too.
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#185891 - 09/20/05 10:31 AM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: harlan]
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I think there might be something in that. Could where we live play a part in what our body needs more of a certain vitamin, mineral or other nutrient than maybe somebody who lives in a different part of the world or country? Do we have different chemical balances in our body? An interesting point.
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#185892 - 09/20/05 10:36 AM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: Chanters]
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Could where we live play a part in what our body needs more of a certain vitamin, mineral or other nutrient than maybe somebody who lives in a different part of the world or country?



No

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Do we have different chemical balances in our body?



Obviously (eg iron deficiency)

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#185893 - 09/20/05 10:41 AM Re: Vegan vs. Omnivore [Re: Armed_Man_Piker]
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I try to buy, fair trade and organic where possible, although the term 'Organic' has been somewhat sabotaged by some supermarkets and food manufacturers. The only problem is I can only buy organic and fair trade to an extent before I have to swallow my pride and put ethics to one side and go into the supermarket as it can get quite expensive shopping for ethical produce. My fiancee and myself also have a plot on an allotment where we grow some veg, but not enough to be completely sufficient.
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#185894 - 09/20/05 10:46 AM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: MAGr]
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Could where we live play a part in what our body needs more of a certain vitamin, mineral or other nutrient than maybe somebody who lives in a different part of the world or country?


No




But wouldn't something like hours of daylight affect our vitamin levels or whether we live in the city cause us to be deficient in something we would otherwise have enough of if we lived in the countryside? If you lived in a hot climate you would need to increase your intake of sodium?

Please could you expand on how you came to your conclusion?
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#185895 - 09/20/05 10:48 AM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: MAGr]
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Wait a minute: are you saying that environment does not have an affect on individuals? That is not true. While a Greek might get plenty of exposure to the sun...people living in places like Siberia...don't. I saw an article where the children in such places didn't get enough sunlight, and their daycares incorporated daily treatments of exposure to artificial sunlight.

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Could where we live play a part in what our body needs more of a certain vitamin, mineral or other nutrient than maybe somebody who lives in a different part of the world or country?



No

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Do we have different chemical balances in our body?



Obviously (eg iron deficiency)



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#185896 - 09/20/05 11:13 AM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: harlan]
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While a Greek might get plenty of exposure to the sun



Not if that Greek is living in the UK!

But yes fair enough, I suppose, but I was not taking extreme climates under consideration.
But the needs of bodies dont differ from person to person, that was my pont. Bodies are bodies and barring deficiencies, maladies, and chronic deseases, a healthy body needs nothing differnt from another healthy body. The dude in Siberia doesnt need more sunlight than the dude in Equador, its just that they dont get as much.

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#185897 - 09/20/05 01:56 PM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: Chanters]
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Apparently sunlight et al does affect the needs in diet. Apparently when Indian and Pakistani immigrants first came to Scotland they were eating their traditional diet and developing vitamin and mineral deficiencies because Glasgow doesn't usually have the same sunshine levels as the Indian subcontinent.

With regards Greece, what about the Orthodox fasting seasons where meat is not eaten? I realise not everyone takes part but are they usually during sunnier periods?
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#185898 - 09/21/05 06:36 AM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: trevek]
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we have around 300 days of sunshine on average in a year, and that is a bad year IMO. So yes it is during a sunny period, but there is not much chance it wouldnt be anyway.

I have heard that prisoners often have problems with lack of sunshine. What vitamin do you get from the sun, and how is it transmitted via radiation?

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#185899 - 09/21/05 07:45 AM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: MAGr]
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You get vitamin D from the sun. Vitamin D deficiency can sometimes cause rickets. You can top up your viamin D levels if you rarely go out in the sun by eating, eggs, mackeral, lamb's liver, fortified breakfast cereals or some cheeses.
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