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#185850 - 09/16/05 08:05 AM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: MAGr]
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As nutritionally balanced as eating meat also? No. Why? Well, if it was then you wouldnt have to watch your intake so carefully, and would not have to take supplements for what you are missing from not eating meats.




Just for the record, I take no supplements. I make sure my diet contains everything I need. As I have mentioned before, providing you are on a good vegetarian diet, there's is nothing you can't get from a vegetable, bean or pulse than from eating meat. And a veggie diet CAN be balanced on its own.

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The answer is yes providing you educate yourself in sound nutitional facts and apply them to your eating choices.




If there is a 'providing you do this' after a 'yes' then its not a very convincing 'yes' IMO




There are numerous meat eaters who live on a terrible diet, suffer regular ailments, are over-weight and have high blood pressure. This is down to lack of nutritional awareness or knowledge. Just because someone eats meat doesn't mean they're on a healthy diet.
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#185851 - 09/16/05 08:49 AM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: Chanters]
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Chanters, you put it as clearly as I ever could. Omnivores should take just as much of an interest in their nutritional balance as vegetarians- plenty of meat eaters out there just a short step away from scurvy
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#185852 - 09/17/05 12:12 PM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: mouli]
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Hitler was a vegetarian, was he aggressive?
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#185853 - 09/19/05 07:16 AM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: trevek]
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Well, that killed the debate....
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#185854 - 09/19/05 02:23 PM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: trevek]
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Hi Trevek,

Hitler was not a Vegetarian.
He was prescribed a veg diet to cure him of flatulence and a chronic stomach disorder.
Please do read the article in the following link. You'll come to know.
http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/hitler.html

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#185855 - 09/19/05 03:09 PM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: mouli]
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Hi Mouli,

thanks for the link. Very interesting. Even historians such as Simon Schama have used the alleged vegetarianism of AH as a contrast to the buffalo hunting Goebbels.

Needless to say, I withdraw that comment.

However, my wife IS a vegetarian and you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of her!!!
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#185856 - 09/19/05 05:22 PM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: trevek]
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Hitler was a vegetarian, was he aggressive?




Technically, Hitlers psychological make-up was a mix of manipulative and cruel. He had an army to be aggressive for him.
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#185857 - 09/19/05 08:04 PM Vegan vs. Omnivore [Re: Chanters]
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Just for the record, I take no supplements. I make sure my diet contains everything I need. As I have mentioned before, providing you are on a good vegetarian diet, there's is nothing you can't get from a vegetable, bean or pulse than from eating meat. And a veggie diet CAN be balanced on its own.




Tsk, tsk, tsk, Chanters.

Surely, you remember this thread:

http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/15763644/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1

And surely you remember my post concerning what a vegan diet lacks:

"Stephen Barnes, Ph.D., N.D., compiled a list of problems with the Vegan diet in the Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients:

1. True Vitamin B12 (as opposed to B12 analogs) cannot be obtained from plant sources.

2. The human body's need for Vitamin D cannot be met with sunlight (and the D2 form in plant sources is far inferior to the full-complex form found in animal fats).

3. True Vitamin A (retinol) cannot be obtained from plant sources. As with the other nutrients listed above, the body likewise makes a far better use of retinol, as opposed to converting Vitamin A from plant-sourced beta-carotene.


In addition to the things listed by Dr. Barnes, I would like to mention the following:

1. The best source of the Omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA--fish body oils. Flaxseed oil contains a different Omega-3 (ALA), which the body can convert to EPA and DHA, but this conversion doesn't always happen consistently (and for what it's worth, women apparently convert it better than men).

2. Animal-sourced proteins (egg, milk, & meat) consistently rate higher than soy on virtually every protein scale known--the Protein Efficiency Ratio (PER), Biological Value (BV), etc. Soy is only a "complete" protein in the most limited sense, as it is naturally low in the amino acid methionine (modern manufacturers of soy protein powders modify this by adding extra methionine)."


My thoughts on other vegetarian diets can be found on that thread.

Best,

A_M_P
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#185858 - 09/19/05 08:31 PM Hitler's vegetarianism [Re: mouli]
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Hi Trevek,

Hitler was not a Vegetarian.
He was prescribed a veg diet to cure him of flatulence and a chronic stomach disorder.
Please do read the article in the following link. You'll come to know.
http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/hitler.html

Cheers,
Mouli




That site is clearly a biased source.

It is also wrong.

Hitler's vegetarianism is well known.

Here's a pro-vegetarian article which emphasizes that Hitler was indeed a vegetarian:

http://www.geocities.com/hitlerwasavegetarian/

And another mildly amusing one:

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/opinion/Content?oid=oid:45037
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#185859 - 09/19/05 09:24 PM Re: Veg and Non Veg [Re: Dereck]
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Sorry, forgot about the mannerism question.

Do foods affect mannerisms in people? They do in animals and I will use the ferret for an example. My brother-in-law used to have two of them. He was told never to feed them meat ... sounds like a gremlin and don't get it wet. The ferrets were all fine but then they did get some meat and they did turn more aggressive. Many other animals will get this way ... take pirahanas or sharks for instance ... blood drives them into a frenzie.

Now this helps me explain this a little better. Each of us in our genetics has the capability to be aggressive or not. Now what we have that the animal kingdom doesn't have is an advanced brain. We can think things through and make decisions to control ourselves or not. Some obviously think less but this is that person and I don't think that eating a particular food has the same affect that it does on the animal kingdom.

If somebody eats nothing but junk then this person will most likely be slow and lazy and lethargic and possible more laid back. Somebody who drinks coffee and caffiene products excessively could be more hyper. Yes it affects us but only to a small degree. I'd hate one day for somebody to come up with the defence that the guy had a huge steak at The Keg and then killed somebody for denting his car with their door because he was on a protein high.




Ferrets are carnivores, they have to eat meat to survive. What exactly did your borther-in-law feed them?
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