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#185362 - 09/12/05 11:50 AM Fluid under the knees?
JoelM Offline
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Yes, I know, "go to the doctor." But in the mean time I'm asking anyone with medical experience or similar problems.

It's happened a few times in the past 2 years, and has become somewhat frequent with me lately(every 1 or 2 months), and usually after a workout. Sometimes just after and sometimes hours later or the next day.

It feels like there is a fluid buildup under my kneecap. If I squat down it places a great deal of pressure on the kneecap.

Happens most often in my right(dominant) knee. Usually only a couple of hours, but sometimes a day or two. The first time it happened it lasted about a week and I couldn't walk correctly for most of that time because of the buildup.

For at least the past 10 years I have been able to pop both of my knees just by doing a very low squat. Not continuously, but a couple of times a day if I try it. But doing it(trying to pop/popping my knees) for quite a bit one day resulted in the first episode of this.

Any help? (besides "go to the doctor")
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#185363 - 09/12/05 12:53 PM Re: Fluid under the knees? [Re: JoelM]
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The knee is a very complicated joint, and what you are describing may not be fluid on the knee.
Every joint in the body is surrounded by a fascia containing synovial fluid- this helps lubricate the joint articulation, much like oil in an engine does. If a joint becomes injured, the bodies response is to send healing white blood cells (lymph) to the area- this stuff a)begins ther healing process and b)causes swelling and stiffness in an attempt to stop you using the body part- a bit like a natural brace or splint. Trouble is that the body always overdoses you with this stuff and you need to mobilise and ice the area to minimise the sweling so it doesnt end up hampering your recovery.

The 'popping' noise you hear o deep squats could cause inflamation of the synovial membrane, or it could be putting too much stress on your quad tendon, or it could be an indication of wear and tear on your meniscal cartiladge, or it could be an indicator of chondromylacia patellae- knee cap being out of line due to imbalance of strength between medial and lateral quads (also known as runners knee).

Thing is, prior to medical diagnosis you need to utilise common sense.
1. Do not do movements that you know aggrivate the problem. If this means adapting some stretches, or not going as deep in stance as usual, explain why to your sensei, and I am sure he will understand.
This goes for personal exercise as well, for now only do partial squats, stopping long before pressure on the knee is a problem. No running for now, and be careful of twisting the knees when throwing punches at your wavemeaster, make sure you pivot on the ball of the foot (I know that is proper tech. anyway, but its easy to forget)
2. Warm up extra thoroughly, including good stretches of both quads and hamstrings. After exercise ice and rest the knee even if you dont think you aggrivated it. No harm in using tubigrip or a knee brace in the short term for extra safety either.
3.A general practitioner will prescribe painkillers and rest, but this is not enough. Request physio consultation, exaggerate a touch on the severity of the pain if you must, but get this properly diagnosed and a firm specific rehab plan in place to prevent it becoming chronic.

There you go, now hop to it (pardon the pun)
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#185364 - 09/12/05 11:10 PM Re: Fluid under the knees? [Re: Cord]
JoelM Offline
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Thank you, Cord, that was very, very helpful. I hadn't even thought of using ice, but it might help. It didn't get any better during the day, in fact got worse during certain parts. Hard to tell if it's pain or just discomfort, but at one point it almost dropped my comfortable range of motion to 0. The discomfort is due to pressure of build-up. I can move on it a bit more now.

Thank you for your common sense advice as well, consider 1 and 2 checked, but #3 may have to wait until A-I get medical insurance, B-I win the lottery, C-my fiance calls my mom to get me to go to the doctor(again).

We'll see what happens, I'll keep you all updated.
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#185365 - 09/12/05 11:22 PM Fluid under the knees? [Re: JoelM]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Ok... go to the doctor NOW!!!!!!!!
[That help any better???]

No matter what the problem might be you've got something that requires MEDICAL attention, period. Chances are good it will be drained... if it helps any it will hurt considerably, especially if they use the large bore needle and get to drain a lot of fluid...

Hope for your sake its a little fluid, and none of it "red".
Jeff

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#185366 - 09/14/05 01:36 AM Re: Fluid under the knees? [Re: Ronin1966]
JoelM Offline
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We are now currently taking donations for the "Help Joel Keep on Walking Fund" please call 1-800-HELP-JOEL Don't let this poor boy goon without a doctor's visit!!

Well, the swelling is still up, but I got an ice pack today and it has helped. I still have functional strength, I can stand no problem on my right leg only. The only problem is that the swelling keeps me from full range of movement.
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#185367 - 09/16/05 10:24 PM Re: Fluid under the knees? [Re: JoelM]
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Good example of procrastination...

I have 2 cysts in my right knee and will have surgery in a few weeks. Apparently, I partially tore/loosened something 10 years ago. Jogging and stairs inflame it. Even worse than the possiblity of having 3 screws in my right knee is the potentially similar issue with my left knee. Another MRI will tell me for sure. An unfortunate and regretable sacrifice to the high school football gods. I could be out for of a job for six weeks, not that it's a great job. But it's best take care of these things right away. lol.

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#185368 - 09/17/05 04:21 AM Re: Fluid under the knees? [Re: JoelM]
Cord Offline
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Quote:

We are now currently taking donations for the "Help Joel Keep on Walking Fund" please call 1-800-HELP-JOEL Don't let this poor boy goon without a doctor's visit!!

Well, the swelling is still up, but I got an ice pack today and it has helped. I still have functional strength, I can stand no problem on my right leg only. The only problem is that the swelling keeps me from full range of movement.




Like the teenage boy shouted to the sky having been stung in the crotch by a hornet: 'PLEASE GOD TAKE THE PAIN- BUT LEAVE THE SWELLING!!!!!'
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#185369 - 09/17/05 09:24 AM Re: Fluid under the knees? [Re: Cord]
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Joel
You need a knee fluid-draining. I'll get a jackhammer. J/K

My boss has a similar problem with his knee that requires it to be drained every few months. I would listen to Cord until you can get to a doctor. Or I can come right over.

*starts jackhammer*
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#185370 - 09/20/05 12:41 AM Re: Fluid under the knees? [Re: MattJ]
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Visions of a large bore needle, some plastic tubing and a bag.

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#185371 - 09/20/05 01:00 AM Re: Fluid under the knees? [Re: MattJ]
JoelM Offline
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Uh, thanks for the offer, Matt, but I wouldn't want to have you travel all this way just for li'l ole me.

The prospects of touring the largest house in America with a bum knee wasn't all that appealing this weekend, but I managed. I got a knee brace that provided support and compression, was very helpful. Seemed as though every day after Wednesday I woke up with a little less swelling in the knee and a little more range of motion. Still not 100%, but I'm sure that will be a while, and I'm being sure to take it easy with it.

No doctor yet, but we are still taking donations!
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