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#184369 - 07/04/07 10:02 AM Re: HOW DO YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM [Re: JKogas]
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So you're telling me that people are injured right and left in your training for SD?

Nope, not at all what I'm saying. I think we're actually agreeing on things, just stating them a bit differently.


I don't think you're seeing my point. If you're not getting injured at ALL in training, how can you honestly say that what you're doing is more "real" than what occurs within an MMA match?

Actually, I am seeing the point. MMA a may be a good way to test _parts_ of a system. Just as I've mentioned before though, the focus is different than in a true SD situation. I'm also not saying that one is more real than the other.
While MMA may be the best we have at the moment for SD training/evaluation in some people's minds, I don't think it is a _good_ way. The focus is not there.


What I mean as far as SD testing is that techniques should not be limited.


But they ARE limited! They're limited in how you use them. Thus is my point.

You're right, the how (to what degree) is limited, but the what (which techniques used) shouldn't be.


That said, we have to know that you can't really knife hand someone in the throat or gouge out their eyes.



You can go full force on other techniques and then "pull" on the ones that are really dangerous. It ain't perfect for sure.


Examples of which are?

Hmm, what about, a wrist lock or other throw that puts the attacker on the ground followed by head stomp. You go all out on the off balancing and throw, but stomp the floor next to the head, or pull the technique for light contact. Again, it ain't perfect.

In a perfect world, I'd like to see the red-man suit, high gear suit, etc used a lot more often. With proper protection and some imagination, you can even do eye gouges and testicle squeeze/yank etc.

What is anymore perfect than full resistance from those you're training against?


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#184370 - 07/04/07 11:46 AM Re: HOW DO YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM [Re: Mannie]
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Any training is done in a controlled environment. Even your system has controls. There are no uncontrolled zones. If there were your sensei would have been sued long ago for poked out eyes and crushed larynxes. lol Scenario training is good if you are training for that sort of thing. I am a big fan of open sparring against students of lower/ equal/ and higher skill levels. It prepares you for what you train for, fighting. It is the basis of all scenario training IMO. Lights off, rock in shoe, one arm behind back, one man in wheelchair, 17 men on one, etc are good for the rare class to give you an idea of what difficulties you may face but I feel strongly (unless someone sucessfully convinces me otherwise) that one on one sparring is the truest test outside just fighting in the street. Everything else is merely a difficulty to be overcome using ingenuity and mental toughness (not so much multiple attackers but if you face more than two, you are in big trouble no matter the system lol)
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