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#184339 - 09/09/05 12:05 PM Re: HOW DO YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM [Re: Mannie]
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Quote by Mannie -

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This is not a difficult question. Or maybe it is.




Why don't you tell us how YOU test YOUR system.
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#184340 - 09/09/05 09:12 PM Re: HOW DO YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM [Re: MattJ]
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Hakarac Boxing test it system by constantly taking its students, techniques and mindset into uncontrolled zones.
Some of the previous sugestins mentioned are just some of the few.
We constantly take our students to sparr and compete with different schools from different styles. We take selected students to train with law enforcement and security personel.
We verbally attack them, surprise attack them and random weapon attack them.
Also:
1. 2 attacking 1
2. Environmental attack (No lights-Between furniture-loose gravel-etc..)
3. Multiple attacks
4. 75% (wear an eye patch-stone in your shoe-hold onto a child-etc...)
5. Chaos (defend yourself by getting someone to attack you without technique)
And the list goes on and on.
Take yourselves outside "if he does this i will do that"

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#184341 - 09/09/05 10:21 PM Re: HOW DO YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM [Re: Mannie]
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OK, now we're getting somewhere. Those are some good ideas, Mannie. I have advocated using different scenarios for training like that for a while now.

I do like the stone-in-the-shoe, etc ideas. Good way to really work an imbalanced situation.
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#184342 - 09/10/05 09:40 PM Re: HOW DO YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM [Re: MattJ]
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Hi MattJ,
Do you have any other different scenarious that you know off and dont mind sharing so i can try out.

Thanks,
Mannie de Matos
Hakarac Boxing

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#184343 - 09/10/05 09:59 PM Re: HOW DO YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM [Re: Mannie]
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sorry i guess i have to apologize for my response. it was just that one of ur replies sounded pretty arrogant that i got angry. And u won't like me when i'm angry.
*sound of muscles growing, clothes ripping, skin turning green, and "Arrrrggggghhhhhh!"*
Just moderate ur posts in the future, be more polite. humility is really a virtue and WILL get u far in life.

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#184344 - 09/15/05 06:17 AM Re: HOW DO YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM [Re: ta_kuan_dao]
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Without a doubt, best way to test your system against others would be to enter and participate in full or semi contact tournaments, sure there are rules to abide by but i would imagine it gives you a good idea

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#184345 - 09/15/05 06:33 AM Re: HOW DO YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM [Re: JonRobbie]
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Yes I agree, that entering tournaments with people you have never met and styles you have never gone against is probably the best way to test your system (barring starting fights on the street). I want to start entering tournaments, but I want to go watch first and then see how it is, scope it out, act like a pussy for a bit and then finally enter next season. I need to find an annual tournament in london or the surrounding area first, that is open to all styles and has rules that I like, i.e. not too many.

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#184346 - 09/15/05 04:19 PM Re: HOW DO YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM [Re: MAGr]
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I think that tournament test techniques taught and helps in delivery of techniques under rules. A lot of stylist (Aikido people I know not picking just true in this case) that don't fight tournaments look and imagine what they could or would do if fighting. All I can say is "thinking about it is different then do it or being there".

Some of these same people join our animal classes. Though condifdent they are ripped off their feet and thrown in a corner by real attacks, because their timing and distance is off or they are not ready for the sudden vicousiness of an quesi-real attack. Some go away dishearten others revise and adapt and make their art work.

Magr U are right, except for entering real fights on the street or MMA competition Open tournaments are the closest thing to fighting and seeing anything thrown at you. Years ago (no pad then) I was hit in the throat by a old style Kempo guy, After I recovered I took it to him then. We shook hands afterwards, it never happened again, it one of my favor strikes now. It don't take much and you can't breath .

Tournaments are fun and you meet a lot of swell people. I'm betting on you, like the Joker said in Batman 1 " Wait till they get a load of You". Give them hell, and have alot of fun!!!


Edited by Neko456 (09/15/05 04:21 PM)
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#184347 - 09/15/05 04:35 PM Re: HOW DO YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM [Re: Neko456]
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you were hit in the throat and he was not disqualified??
And now you hit people in the throat and you are not disqualified/banned from your school??
Come one man, smells like a porky to me.
Do you mean neck by any chance?
Big difference between neck and throat.

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#184348 - 09/15/05 05:09 PM Re: HOW DO YOU TEST YOUR SYSTEM [Re: MAGr]
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He hit me below the adam apple just above the trechea, I dropped to one knee coughing and holding my THroat.
I hit people in the street in the thorat he proved that a tap will work, I hit harder then a tap. Back then you could take some of this straight to the street. I think he got a warning.

Back then you got a warning if you knocked the guy out and didn't bring blood, if he ran into the technique you got a point, when he woke up. Some open tourney you bust a guys grion cup you get a point, twice they asked you to pull and gave a warning. It was closer to real Martial arts back then. No joke, mediocre MA fighters looked like Hockey player back then. Back Then not now, they look like Movies stars now hair and make up .

Its not like that now its padded and it just a hard fun game of tag, don't take it too serious. Now you can still get hurt if you are careless but if you are good and the competition is good the most you will get is sore ribs or briused check bone. Its all fun at now. At 3rd kyu & up theres light contact to the open face, semi-heavy but controled to the padded helmet & body to a solid touch???

Its not like it use to be you had to stop the guy or you peed' blood or spit blood. Ole timers unite tell him like it was. Anyway its all fast fun now sorta, you can get hurt if you are careless.

You will do well U sound like the movie star type.


Edited by Neko456 (09/15/05 05:20 PM)
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