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#184035 - 09/06/05 01:16 PM Re: Hypothetical: Cage fight [Re: Cord]
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So, this 'cage fight' scenario...it is really about species survival in a limited space, with limited resources? Kinda like...a metaphor for what is really on going on this planet already?

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#184036 - 09/06/05 01:20 PM Re: Hypothetical: Cage fight [Re: harlan]
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interesting point harlan, the longer the topic has continued, the more it has made me think of the recent tragedy in New Orleans, and the behaviour that has come to the fore in situation of privation of space and resources. Scary.
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#184037 - 09/06/05 01:34 PM Re: Hypothetical: Cage fight [Re: Kintama]
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I think maybe the grizzly bear would be the last to die, because I don't think any animal can kill it, except maybe a gorilla but they are vegetarian anyway, and a well fed grizzly bear can go a long time without eating, so it would be the last thing alive after everything else has starved to death.

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* would it matter if the human could use/make something out
of the bones and carcass of the less fortunate? (if the human would even survive long enough to outlive the herd mammals). sleep deprivation would seem to be a factor as well.





I don't think a lone human with a femur or something could do much of anything. Just like wolves and hyenas, humans have survived because of group mentality.

More fuel for the fire;

What if the human has boy scout training and succeeds in starting a fire before it gets killed? It could scare away the wild animals, and he could also dry meat for later use, instead of seeing it all rot.

I think that eventually the last living predator's hunger will overcome his fear of the fire, and he'll have himself a nice snack.

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* what are an elephant's chances?




I don't know much about elephants, but I presume they need a HUGE calorie intake every day, and therefore would starve pretty quickly.

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* would a tiger/panther/lion fight each other? is so, which is your money on?





The lion, because it's bigger.

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* how about a bear vs gorilla?




Tough one. The bear (assuming it's a grizzly or a polar) is bigger, and has claws. On the other hand, the gorilla has a different skeletal structure, which could make it more efficient. A bear has shoulders pointing inwards, and a different pelvis, it's closer to a four legged animal than a two legged one. The gorilla has shoulders and pelvis more like ours, allowing for a wider range of movement, including punching, hammerfists, where a bear can only swipe. Gorillas can grab stuff, a bear can't. Gorillas are also damn strong and tough, and have huge fangs, maybe that could make the difference.

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* what would be the first to die? I'd say the cow.




I say the chicken.

edit; oops not a mammal.


Edited by rideonlythelabel (09/06/05 01:41 PM)

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#184038 - 09/06/05 01:36 PM Re: Hypothetical: Cage fight [Re: Benjamin]
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I heard of attacks on a human before from a chimpanzee... they rip, tear, bite and snap anything in reach at lighting speed. here a story of such an attack...ripped the human's face off.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articl...aves_questions/

I don't think the human would have a chance against 75% of the cage population in a fight to the death.

Harlan, very observant.

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#184039 - 09/06/05 02:03 PM Re: Hypothetical: Cage fight [Re: Cord]
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Cockroach is not a mammal.




DOH! I guess reading really is fundamental.

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#184040 - 09/06/05 02:38 PM Re: Hypothetical: Cage fight [Re: BigRod]
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Hold on here. Gorilla vs. bear? You're kidding, right? A polar bear can weigh WELL over 1000lbs. A male silverback gorilla weighs, what, maybe 500-600?

Polar bears can pull frikkin' WHALES through the ice!

Bears pwn gorillas, all day long.
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#184041 - 09/06/05 03:03 PM Re: Hypothetical: Cage fight [Re: MattJ]
Kintama Offline
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ok... polar bear vs. lion?

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#184042 - 09/06/05 04:47 PM Re: Hypothetical: Cage fight [Re: Kintama]
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I am going with vampire bat.

Since a cage has holes it could just fly away in search of food if it had to.
It can cling to the top of the cage and just wait out the fights below-perhaps in a corner to avoid being prey to something else.

Since it drinks blood--and does so with a great degree of stealth it should be ok as long as there are living creatures below--and it still can fly away if it needs to.

Plus, I don't think that vampire bats drink water at all--so it would be the "last one to drink" period

Kin, did you ever watch the TV show "Animal Face-Off" discovery channel program that pitted such animals in a computer generated fight.

They set each animals performance based upon the actual physics, say of how hard they could bite, claw etc.

They did alot of animals--such as a tiger vs its smaller rival the lion, gorilla vs jaguar, hippo vs croc, etc.

(they also match behavior as well)

Very interesting show.

I would go with polar bear--assumeing of course that the lion could survive the low temps the bear thrives in--or that the bear could handle the heat of the veldt.


Edited by cxt (09/06/05 04:51 PM)
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#184043 - 09/06/05 09:15 PM Re: Hypothetical: Cage fight [Re: MattJ]
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Hold on here. Gorilla vs. bear? You're kidding, right? A polar bear can weigh WELL over 1000lbs. A male silverback gorilla weighs, what, maybe 500-600?

Polar bears can pull frikkin' WHALES through the ice!

Bears pwn gorillas, all day long.




It's believed that a male gorilla is at least 10 times and up to 27 times as strong as a human. It's also believed that gorillas can kill a leopard with a single strike. (from wikipedia.com) They have such huge arms and fists, they must punch so hard. A polar bear's weight must have a big percentage of fat, since they have to swim in ice cold water. And a gorilla has a skull like three inch thick.

I stick with my ape brothers!!!

Gorilla by GNP in the first round!!!
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#184044 - 09/06/05 10:18 PM Re: Hypothetical: Cage fight [Re: rideonlythelabel]
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*MattJ, shirtless and face painted white, sits in audience with huge foam #1 finger that says POLAR BEAR OWNS*
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