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#183888 - 09/15/05 02:09 PM Re: Judo V.S Ju Jitsu. What should I take? [Re: Caino]
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Caino

The derivation of the word and the art is japanese.

There are a couple of different spellings. Sometimes someone comes up with their own word to denote their specific art.
So someone may well have changed the spelling to indicate some personal aspect of the art--but that only applies to THAT SPECIFIC art.

Adding an "i" to the FRONT of spelling (ie jiu) means little outside of the specific dojo that uses it.

But "i" is sometimes used on the second half of the word.
Jujutsu OR sometimes jujitsu (older varient)
But both are japanese.


Edited by cxt (09/15/05 02:12 PM)
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#183889 - 09/15/05 02:52 PM Re: Judo V.S Ju Jitsu. What should I take? [Re: cxt]
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A lot of convenient inaccuracies in this thread.

One thing to think about is that Kodokan Judo actually contains a fairly comprehensive SD curriculum in addition to it's emphasis on "growing together" (Competition = Together, We Grow).

There are two schools of thought.

1. That Judo is sport only. That it was designed as such and made safe for play with dangerous techniques removed and thus less appropriate for self defense.

or...

2. That Judo was developed for maximum efficiency in learning, application and personal development. That many of the more "dangerous" techniqes were also determined by Kano to be less effective, efficient and reliable and ommited for that reason.

I lean toward the second. The argument against Judo as an art seems to me, to be driven by those with little actual training time in traditional Judo and even less time on the mat.

Just my opinion.
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#183890 - 09/15/05 03:03 PM Re: Judo V.S Ju Jitsu. What should I take? [Re: Fletch1]
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Fletch

Suppose it depends on what a person means when they say "dangerous."

Having been on the receiving end of a number of "safe" judo techniques I can personally state that they could easily do some serious harm.

For those interested,Steve Cunningham has written some excellent articles on the subject of early judo.
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#183891 - 09/17/05 12:48 PM Re: Judo V.S Ju Jitsu. What should I take? [Re: cxt]
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Whiskey is Irish or American, Whisky is Scotch but after half a bottle it means nothing. The spelling doesn't affect the effectiveness.
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#183892 - 09/19/05 12:49 PM Re: Judo V.S Ju Jitsu. What should I take? [Re: trevek]
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#183893 - 09/20/05 02:19 AM Re: Judo V.S Ju Jitsu. What should I take? [Re: trevek]
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trevek,

Affect effectiveness...Love it! Nice analogy.

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#183894 - 09/20/05 03:31 AM Re: Judo V.S Ju Jitsu. What should I take? [Re: butterfly]
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Thanks Butterfly, glad you like it You can use it if you like .
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#183895 - 09/20/05 02:15 PM Re: Judo V.S Ju Jitsu. What should I take? [Re: Bakerman]
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Bakerman,

Which should you take, Judo or Jujutsu? Personally, I'd take the one that is readily available and close to you. Both arts are essentially the same. Both fighting methods have nage waza and atemi waza, but each focus more on the other. Judo focuses a lot on nage waza (throwing techniques and ne waza), jujutsu focuses more (atemi waza and ne waza).

Atemi waza are striking techniques and ne waza is ground techniques. When you do randori (free practice) in judo, and I believe even in Jujutsu atemi is illegal. You are not allowed to hit. Atemi waza is usually practiced only in katas (or forms).

If you take Judo, and you throw someone it will hurt equally as if you learned it from jujutsu. If you hit someone in Judo or Jujutsu it will hurt. Except, atemi is not really focused on in Judo until shodan (1st deg bb). But to be honest, I have never seen anyone practice atemi in judo.

So just go in and pick a class and have fun. I guarantee that your first few classes will be spent on ukemi whether it is jujutsu or judo or even aikido. In judo or jujutsu the first thing you're likely to be taught is ogoshi. After that, you'll probably go into O Soto Gari the progression is the same. Maybe you'll get into a throwing circle and you'll take your turns giving and receiving a beating. An occassionally some ad hoc ne waza... ultimately it is the same. So just take the class and enjoy. Whichever one you pick you're going to have fun because Ogoshi and O Soto Gari are fool proof when it comes to unsuspecting opponents! Hahaha!!!

Have fun!

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#183896 - 10/28/05 04:08 AM Re: Judo V.S Ju Jitsu. What should I take? [Re: americanNinja]
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I finaly fonud the courage to start practising martial arts but i dont know which to take?
I have been fascinted by grappling arts, but dont know which to take judo or ju jitsu?, is there even a signifact difference between them or is it just the name and a few techinchs? Is judo then only ju jitsu without punchens and kicks? i'm confused.
sorry for my english.

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#183897 - 10/28/05 04:28 AM Re: Judo V.S Ju Jitsu. What should I take? [Re: Newbi]
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there is a huge difference between them. Modern judo is largely sport, while if you choose classical jujutsu it is more of a martial art in the full sense of the word. they both have the same roots, but are very different today.

there are techniques that exist in both, and sometimes the overlap may seem quite large, but the intention is different. in judo, they are used to score points. in jujutsu, they are used to hurt. that is why strikes are VERBOTEN in judo, because they are too dangerous for sport.

not taking away from judo at all! its great, and builds great exponents. but it is still a combat sport in which you score points. jujutsu is a martial art.
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