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#182321 - 08/30/05 08:43 AM
kata apllication on the internet
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i'm creating an online resources site for karate students and have managed to get loads of good stuff on the performance and technical aspect of every major kata (except goju-ryu, they're a little more illusive). Have a look at the website www.karateonline.org some of the international footage is amazing, mottram especially. my question, however, is does anyone know of good stuff on bunkai floating around anywhere. If you do please let me kn ow as a kata without bunkai explained may just as well be a dance. thanks gary www.karateonline.org
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#182322 - 08/30/05 09:22 AM
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#182324 - 08/30/05 10:41 AM
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Ok. Karate doesn't have grappling in it.
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#182326 - 08/30/05 12:07 PM
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#182327 - 08/30/05 12:37 PM
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".....my question, however, is does anyone know of good stuff on bunkai floating around anywhere. If you do please let me kn ow as a kata without bunkai explained may just as well be a dance....."
I think I know what you are trying to say and I don't altogether disagree with you. However, there is a whole lot more to a true kata than just figuring out applications. Until Miyagi came along and coined the use of the term "bunkai" for analyzing katas in terms of practicality guidance in unfolding the various understandings regarding what kata are all about fell to the teacher-student relationship. Now, with all the media a lot of what used to be pretty well-protected material has become pretty well-known and basic MA fundamentals. All the same, the kata have a lot more to teach us than just better ways to bang heads.
Best Wishes,
Bruce
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#182328 - 08/30/05 12:47 PM
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Bruce, I agree there is more to it than the bunkai. I also find those benefits harder to articulate. Would you take a shot at presenting what those benefits are as you percieve them?
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#182330 - 08/30/05 01:23 PM
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Gav, I was tempted to draw your Dad but theres only a few thousand miles and an ocean between me and him. I may be silly but I'm not stupid.
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#182333 - 08/30/05 05:12 PM
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nice resemblance then....................
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#182334 - 08/30/05 05:24 PM
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I can give it a shot but it won't be an exhaustive list. Lets start with the what we know and work backwards. Certainly there is the technical aspect. This comes in two delicious flavors, concussive material (striking, kicking,blocking) and manipulative (redirection, subduing and throwing). Moving back from WHAT a person does are the "HOW's. In this category are the manner in which techniques are done. A kata will often have odd little bits, seemingly pointless, sticking out around the edges. Often these are reminders to practice from a particularly unique vector or attitude.Also we dare not forget that though a nation can produce an art, there is always the matter tha different people will come up with alternate ways to accomplish the same thing. This is where one can get into stylistic differences. Moving back yet again are the strategies. Most people are familiar with kata like "Bassai" and wonder at why some kata have such odd names. The names are often clues to the strategic or tactic approach one needs to take into consideration. For instance the idea or "theme" behind BASSAI ("to move from a position of disadvantage to advantage") is an art all in itself. Moving back from strategy we come to philosophy. At this level a kata speaks to approach to the art or intention for training. For instance Itosu's development of the Pinan kata speaks to spoon feeding technical training to younger practitioners. Very different from the free forms of older training.In hand with philosophy are the health benefits. Best known are the TCC forms which are incredibly fine combat material when viewed through Chen TCC but also enhanced health exercises such as the Yang, Wu and Sun versions of the same material. BTW: For those who want to through Dim Mak into the mix I guess this would be the place to do it.  Lastly are the cultural bits such as breathing, poses, mudras, contemplation, dance, dress and so forth. All of this stuff is just waiting there for people to discover it. All it takes is time and the desire to know more. Best Wishes, Bruce
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#182336 - 08/31/05 01:50 PM
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Hi Oldman!
This picture is great but to achieve a true likeness you should've drawn Gavin's ears bigger! regards,
James.
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#182337 - 08/31/05 05:49 PM
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Is this the Jamesd I think it is? If so, hello again. G2BH, Eloquently put. Oldman, I'm so glad you don't know what I look like.  Actually, I look like... 
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#182338 - 09/01/05 05:00 AM
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Quote:
Is this the Jamesd I think it is? If so, hello again.
Yes it is the Jamesd you think it is! I'll let him get away with this comment, after the jaw lock I put on him the other night...... 
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