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#181952 - 08/28/05 03:37 PM DKI = Ryukyu Kempo?
Raul Perez Offline
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Registered: 08/08/02
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A system (lets stick with Kara-te) is usually defined by certain key aspects. Some of which are:

1) The required Kata and the method to execute the kata

2) Specific 2 man drill sets

3) Knowledge of the system's Dojo Kun and/or guiding principles

4) Sparring (point, continuous, semi to full contact

5) Positioning of blocks/kicks/stances


Now once an individual starts his/her own dojo after achieving a certain rank in that designated system they instruct how they feel is the best way to distribute their knowledge. Some of their training methods may be unorthodox. But they remain with the CORE basics of the curriculum. Therefore everyone who sees them can understand that they teach.... Uechi Ryu, Shotokan, Shorin Ryu, Shito Ryu, Goju Ryu, etc. And if anyone from that same system moves and finds another instructor who teaches what they have previously studied they can basically pick up where they left off based on the STANDARDIZED CORE CURRICULUM.

That being said.. RYUKYU KEMPO was devised by Seiyu Oyata and this was the orgininal name prior to being changed to RYU-TE.

The main CORE aspects of this type of kara-te are:

1) The kata taught in a specific sequence and positioning:

Naihanchi Shodan
Naihanchi Nidan
Naihanchi Sandan
Tomari Seisan
Pinan Shodan
Pinan Nidan
Pinan Sandan
Pinan Yondan
Pinan Godan
Passai
Kusanku
Nesaishe
Naihanchi Shodan (Timing done for Shodan level) - Unique to Ryukyu Kempo from my understanding.

2) Tuite/Kyusho/Atemi Jitsu - Although inherent in all systems of combat it seems Ryukyu Kempo was one of the first (not the first) to revitalize this aspect of training.

3) Bogu Kumite - A hard system of full contact sparring devised by Shigeru Nakamura of Okinawa Kenpo (Oyata's primary instructor and where the 12 empty handed kata come from).


The question that now comes to mind is this.... Does DKI teach this core curriculum. And if not... how can you say that you truely are teaching/learning Ryukyu Kempo?

Kind regards,

Raul
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#181953 - 08/29/05 05:04 PM Re: DKI = Ryukyu Kempo? [Re: Raul Perez]
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approx 50 views on this post and no replies. I would figure that at least 1 DKI member would issue a response. Just to get my point across I am not familiar with DKI's training regime. I am curious if they have the same core curriculum.

DKI members or former DKI members I would appreciate it if you could post.

Kind regards,

Raul
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#181954 - 08/29/05 05:24 PM Re: DKI = Ryukyu Kempo? [Re: Raul Perez]
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The topic was just too scholarly for the folks on FA forums, I guess. Now, if you had compared MMA to TMA, or spouted off about how crap aikido is, then you might get some business.

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#181955 - 08/29/05 06:16 PM Re: DKI = Ryukyu Kempo? [Re: xerxes]
Raul Perez Offline
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LOL Clearly.
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#181956 - 08/29/05 07:54 PM Re: DKI = Ryukyu Kempo? [Re: Raul Perez]
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Maybe no one is interested in the topic. I highly doubt a discussion on whether or not DKI uses the same kata, in the same sequence as Oyata or any other group is over anyone’s head. I would be more inclined to think people are a bit bored with the Oyata/Dillman discussions no matter how honest the query. There is also the fact that many just haven't had the time to respond. This thread was only started yesterday after all.

Raul as you mentioned this isn't exactly on topic for this section but i don't see any harm in having this discussion here. This section may be the only one you will get a response. However once the responses do start to flow in i suggest everyone stay on topic. If this turns into another anti Dillman or anti Oyata thread it's gone.
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#181957 - 08/29/05 09:56 PM Re: DKI = Ryukyu Kempo? [Re: laf7773]
Raul Perez Offline
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I agree if it turns into a DKI vs Oyata debate it should be scrubbed.

Figured I would use this recent Dillman wave on the forum to understand their curriculum and how it coincides with Oyata's curriculum or how it does not and why it does not. I've met many Dillman affiliates but no true DKI instructors or students to gain this understanding.

Regards,

Raul
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#181958 - 08/30/05 03:38 AM Re: DKI = Ryukyu Kempo? [Re: Raul Perez]
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I think saying that you think Dillman should have been killed by Oyata in the other thread has hardly indeared you with the real DKI instructors. Maybe its just karma working its magic.
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#181959 - 08/30/05 12:08 PM Re: DKI = Ryukyu Kempo? [Re: Gavin]
Jango Offline
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Registered: 07/05/05
Posts: 28
Laf7773 got in spot on. I think no one is interested in this topic.

I will help you out though go to www.dillman.com and click on forums and ask them there.

Regards,
J.

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#181960 - 09/05/05 08:50 AM Re: DKI = Ryukyu Kempo? [Re: Raul Perez]
Cesar Offline
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Registered: 06/12/05
Posts: 15
Loc: new york
I actually came from a DKI's student. I learned NaiHanChi Shodan was first and then 5 pinan/heians. I also learned Neisheshi,Bassai, Empi, and Hangestu. naihani nida and sandan came after reaching shodan. Styles do differ drastically in method and teaching. In G. Dillman book's, he calls his method, "Dillman Method." Raul, where do u train, at Kyoshi Gerri's school in Farmingville-curious?

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#181961 - 09/05/05 09:59 PM Re: DKI = Ryukyu Kempo? [Re: Cesar]
Raul Perez Offline
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No but close. I train in Commack with Renshi Ken LaPeters and Renshi Anthony Carnemolla both of whom are trained by Kyoshi Albert Geraldi(now resides in FL). Kyoshi Geraldi also trained Gerry Senise until they had their difference. Kyoshi Geraldi and his top students were also the ones who taught Dillman tuite at many of Oyata's Seminars.
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