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#181404 - 09/02/05 07:29 AM Re: ahhh my head! [Re: webby]
otobeawanker Offline
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Registered: 06/08/04
Posts: 192
Loc: CANADA
Sparring with less advanced fighters than yourself, means taking a beating and pulling your punches.

Its about teaching, not arse kicking.

If you don't like to get hit, quit!
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#181405 - 09/02/05 07:45 AM Re: ahhh my head! [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
Gavin Offline
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Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 2267
Loc: Southend, Essex, UK
I'm not against 13 year old BB's either per se. I do however believe that a club should make a distinction between a junior black belt and a senior. Think we covered a similar thing in the Karate forum yesterday.

If a kid is only being shown very basic stuff, a front punch, and side kick, a kata or two, etc, then its pretty reasonable to expect that kid to aquire a BB in 3 years.

We've got a local TKD club down here, think their called the "Little Dragons" or something and they are fanastic. Doing flips, some really nifty weapon work and generally having a whale of a time. I really loved watching the kids do their thing, gives them a purpose and keeps them off the street. My 6 year old son loved it, but won't do it coz he has his heart set on Kempo and Wing Chun. Really getting annoying keep asking to start learning, I won't teach him Kempo till his older and his uncles Sifu has said the same about the Wing Chun. Doesn't bloody stop him asking every week though! Arrrgh the next generation of the King family MA's well under way!

I digress, as I said I love seeing the kids do their stuff. If they really enjoy it and train really hard, why shouldn't they earn a BB? However when they go into the adult class, its then time to tell them Santa's dead and show them the real stuff. Make them regrade for BB under the adult syllabus. As we discused yesterday, its not really the technique that changes, but the applications! Give 'im the techniques as kids, give 'im the applications as adults! IMVHO
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#181406 - 09/04/05 01:15 AM Re: ahhh my head! [Re: webby]
StormDOA Offline
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Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 142
Loc: Lansing, Mich., USA
I don't think a whole lot more needs to be said, this is a horrible example of a martial arts school and the results of martial arts training. TYhis is the problem with McDojo's they do not give students the time needed to achieve the wisdom concordant with their rank. As importantly this supports my theory as to why children should not be black belts.
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#181407 - 09/04/05 11:59 PM Re: ahhh my head! [Re: webby]
heikeshogun Offline
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Registered: 04/24/05
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or maybe the moral of the story is do white belt kickcs and don't own on a poor little yellow belt when you're black. No wonder he kicked your butt, he must have been scared out of his mind. I enjoy sparring brown belts and I'm green, but that's because they don't do jump spins and flip off my face even though I know they can (little exageration there, but you get the point). I don't mean to be rude at all , but honestly that was a little harsh. It doesn't matter how slow you go in my opinion, he's yellow, he's not gonna be able to block it even if he had all the warning in the world.
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#181408 - 09/05/05 12:43 AM Re: ahhh my head! [Re: heikeshogun]
BlackRose Offline
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Registered: 09/05/05
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You're a black belt and you're bragging about beating a yellow belt??? And not only is it a yellow belt, but an eleven year old, but you're still gonna brag. I understand this is a place where you can share your stories, but in a non-derogatory way. And that just seems like you're trying to make us think you're superior 'cause you can kick an eleven year olds ass!!! Now see, THAT'S lame.

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#181409 - 09/05/05 04:08 PM Re: ahhh my head! [Re: BlackRose]
BlackRose Offline
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Registered: 09/05/05
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oh yeah, btw, being a black belt isn't all about being able to perform all the kicks, it's also about having a good attitude. Being happy about being able to kick a yellow belts butt is NOT a good attitude. Black belts are supposed to have a winners attitude and be HAPPY when someone beats them because it means they had proper training, not be mad and take it out on them next time you spar. You must be an amateur not to know that.

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#181410 - 09/06/05 06:57 AM Re: ahhh my head! [Re: BlackRose]
MAGr Offline
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Registered: 04/11/05
Posts: 1147
Loc: London, home: Athens
I think a lot of martial artists have a strange perception of their lives and of reality. Just because someone is a black belt in whatever does that deprive him of his childhood and the joy of being irresponsible. Of course with ANY type of knowledge comes responsibility but gimme a break guys. Its not that big of a deal that a black belt DURING SPARRING showed the persistent white belt that there is a good reason for the rank difference. At the end of the day not everyone is a martial artist AND a buddhist.

Martial arts is an art and that makes it about INDIVIDUAL expression, kids should be encouraged to develop a good attitude but not an angelic one. It is about fighting after all. People worship UFC fighters (hardly Harvard graduates, most likely ex-thugs) but critisize kids for being kids. I m sure those kids have kissed and made up by now and its all in the familly anyway.
I think us MAists take ourselves too seriously, and with the attitudes that we hold against the rest of the world its no wander that the myth that we should register ourselves as lethal weapons has perpetuated.

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#181411 - 09/06/05 10:30 PM Re: ahhh my head! [Re: MAGr]
JoelM Offline
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Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 6355
Loc: Georgia, USA
Maybe I am too "buddhist" or idealistic, but I disagree with just about everything in your post.
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#181412 - 09/28/05 02:09 PM Re: ahhh my head! [Re: Cord]
Kintama Offline
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Registered: 04/17/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Massachusetts
Quote:

wh..wh..what do you mean there is no Santa?




Here is the difinitive answer on this Cord. sorry man.
http://www.6v6gt.com/humor/SC_RIP.jpg

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#181413 - 09/28/05 03:39 PM Re: ahhh my head! [Re: MAGr]
UofM Shorin Ryu Offline
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Registered: 02/07/05
Posts: 981
Kids will be kids, irresponsible and irritating, this is a fact of life.
Saying that Martial Arts are about fighting(which in itself is rather subjective) and that kids should be encouraged with this type of behavior/attitude isn't necessarily a good thing.

Yes, sparring and hitting are apart of the game, but hence the reason we have "good sportmanship" standards.

I think it's a BIG deal that the BB "showed the persistent white belt that there is a good reason for the rank difference". Why? One word: bullying.

Bullies beat up people to show them "who's boss". The BB beat up the yellow belt to show him "who's boss".
If this type of behavior isn't reprimanded, the child never learns and it is never corrected. This is why there are adults who are complete a$$holes too, cause they were BB's beating up white belts as children.


The BB should have encouraged his training partner productively, instead of proving his "superiority".
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