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#180154 - 08/21/05 06:40 PM Nunchaku illegal
NeoSaturn Offline
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I did some reaserch and i found out that nunchaku are illigeal in Canada, alabama, California, and new york state.

Seeing how i live in Canada i cant own a pair unless i have a pair that is made of foam or plastic, or i have a liscence, which i have no clue how to get.

I just dont get it !!! you can own a gun, or a sword, but not two pieces of wood connected together gy a flexible joint!

Just goes to show you how messed up this world is!
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#180155 - 08/21/05 06:54 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: NeoSaturn]
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just walk into a police station and they'll have any forms you could want.

alternatively you could just go with line: "no officer they aren't nunchucka - they are my portable wheat thrashers i use for some light thrashing when i get home to make some bread. nothing better than home cooked bread officer. nothing better."
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#180156 - 08/21/05 07:00 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: funstick5000]
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maybe, butwhat i think was that the nunchaku liscence is only in east canada, and i am in west. I may be wrong, they may not even have liscences for them.

I am not worried about getting caught, its just that i cant find a pair anywhere!
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#180157 - 08/21/05 07:29 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: NeoSaturn]
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I certainly would never tell someone to break the law.

I would tell people to excercise common sense and good judgement.

Odds are if you have a pair of nunchaku, keep them in your gym bag AND ONLY TAKE THEM OUT IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR HOME OR DOJO, and don't try to show off in the yard for the kids on the street... You probably will not have a problem.

I have trained in many areas where nunchaku and assorted edged weapons that have training/historical value are not permitted by law. I have also trained with police officers and lawyers(barristers??) in these areas, with these weapons.

There are too many murders, drunk drivers, burgulars, etc. that tax law enforcement for them to be worried about an antiquated Okinawan weapon used only for training/historical purposes. As long as you are not waiving them around like a Jack A$$ for your friends or irresponsibly leave them in plain view on the front seat of your car.

Once again this is just my point of view, but then again I have been known to ruthlessly tear the tags off of mattresses with total disregard for public and personal safety

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#180158 - 08/21/05 10:06 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: NeoSaturn]
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I just dont get it !!! you can own a gun, or a sword, but not two pieces of wood connected together gy a flexible joint!




Now where have I heard this before? Oh ya me! lol And I still say it, I know how mad you are but hey join the club. Its just a bunch of wussy politicians (and somewhet stupid I might add) b/c they are afraid of anything that could potentially be used as a weapon, well I've got news for them , YOU MIGHT AS WELL BAN EVERY-BLOODY-THING ON THIS EARTH AND MAKE IT ILLEGAL CAUSE ANYTHING CAN BE USED AS A WEAPON!

Now how you can get around the laws, do what I did. I went to the local martial arts store and bought a nunchaku swivel kit (you can buy these online too) then visit your local hardware store and buy a *HARDWOOD* (make sure it is hardwood!) dowel. From there you cut it down to 12 inch (traditional style) or 14 inch (american style) pieces and from there its pretty straight forward. You may need to shave down the tops with a wood shaver if they don't quite fit in the swivel ends.

Also some good web pages:
http://www.geocities.com/bubbaroces/howtomake.html <-- if you desire rope instead of chain

http://www.geocities.com/bubbaroces/Homemadechain.html <-- if you can't find any swivel kits, make your own

Anyhow hope that helps...
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#180159 - 08/21/05 10:40 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: NeoSaturn]
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You could always order online...most sites will probably still ship them to you, "at your own risk".

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#180160 - 08/22/05 12:04 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: Paranormalma]
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*sigh* i tried that ordering thing, but nobody ships to canada, and i have contemplated making my own nunchaku.

it isnt illegal to guy the ball bearing chain!
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#180161 - 08/24/05 06:10 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: NeoSaturn]
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buy some hardwood dowel and use duct tape or some other strong tape and tape them together, it isn't pretty but it works.

and i still stand by my wheat thrashing comment.
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#180162 - 09/15/05 03:57 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: NeoSaturn]
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If you want a really crazy example, then images of Bruce Lee with nunchakus are censored in UK. During the 1970's the police asked the British board of Film Censors to censor scenes of Lee with his nunchaku.

The upshot was that 25 years after the film had first been released you were unable to see the complete nunchaku scene in the cinema or on TV. In some versions you couldn't even see him use the things at all. One moment he is using the kali sticks and the next he is sitting in the cave with a set of flails around his neck.

It also affected the film "Dragon: the Bruce Lee story" and the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles cartoon (note, can't use the word 'ninja' on BBC kids programme.
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#180163 - 09/15/05 01:24 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: NeoSaturn]
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being oblivious to some of these laws, let me ask this? Are these weapons allowed in Dojos in these areas or are they totally banned?
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#180164 - 09/15/05 10:42 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: kenposan]
imcrazy Offline
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Not even the real thing is allowed in dojos (or at least to my knowledge). However practice ones are still legal and will most likely be found in these places.
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#180165 - 09/18/05 06:16 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: imcrazy]
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I'd say trying buying some pairs from amazon.com
I got 2 great pairs from them, and Im in California. I train alot at home with them, and never take em out anywhere obviously.

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#180166 - 09/21/05 02:11 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: CrazyUzu]
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Holy bat#*!^, Batman! That's the first I've ever heard of such laws in the UK. Can't imagine watching a BL film without the nunchaku scenes???

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#180167 - 09/21/05 03:36 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: Marz]
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Yeah, the edit in some versions of Enter the dragon is so baaad.

When they released the 25th anniversary 'uncut' version into UK cinemas I was going to see it with a friend. I rang the cinema for tickets and they said they'd had to show the cut version because the BBFC still wouldn't allow THAT scene. Pretty ridiculous when you think of what you CAN see at the cinema.
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#180168 - 10/07/05 10:20 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: trevek]
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i have a real pair and practice one but i can carry both in public. i live in north carolina btw. from what ive learned ( and this may be wrong but its what several adults have said) real numchucks were illegal years ago but now they are legal as long as they are not concealed.

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#180169 - 10/08/05 03:27 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: UmYang]
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"NUNCHAKU" is pronounced "noon-chah-koo"...say it again..."noon-chah-koo".

Anything else (numchucks, chucks, chucka-sticks, etc.) shows your ignorance.

If I were trying to decide if ANY weapon could be carried in public, I'd ask the local police, not rely on what I heard from "several adults". You even admit that they might be wrong & you're still willing to take the chance. You deserve to get arrested for being judgement-impared.

But I guess you know what's what.

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#180170 - 10/09/05 09:21 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: hedkikr]
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uh actually the longer ones are called numchaku. the shoter ones like the ones i use are called numchuk. and even if i am wrong i dont care cuz spelling isnt that big of a deal to me. lol.

and one of the adults was my stepdad- he was a cop for fifteen years. so : P

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#180171 - 10/10/05 02:24 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: UmYang]
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Um...

Please do a little research befor you make silly claims ("long ones are Numchaku, short ones Numchuck")


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#180172 - 10/10/05 05:27 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: hedkikr]
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black belt magazine said that there are different legnths and the shorter of them are called numchuks and longer are numchaku. but if im wrong give me a site or something i can verify cuz im tired of being told that that is right then its wrong then its right. : / ive done research but in case you havent noticed a lot of people talk about stuff they dont know about so its kinda hard to find an honest source.

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#180173 - 10/14/05 05:36 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: UmYang]
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No axe to grind either way but a web search for numchuck brings a lot of things. maybe it is a dialectal difference in pronunciation (does Japanese recognise a difference between 'm' and 'n'?)

http://www.fighting-weapons-training.com/numchucks.htm

http://www.fighting-weapons-training.com/numchucks.htm
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#180174 - 10/14/05 12:51 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: trevek]
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Because of course randomly searched internet pages are the most reliable sources....

btw, i click the links and end up at "dogpile", so somethin ain't right there....
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#180175 - 10/14/05 06:36 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: trevek]
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It has always been nunchaku.

Ignorant Americans mistakenly called it Numchucks, then Chucks & even Chucka sticks (even though it's a single object, it got a plural designation).

The inaccurate name spread faster than the correct name & now we have mass acceptance of an incorrect term. If you want proof, go to the source (Okinawa not Bruce Lee or XMA).

If you choose to persist in using a bastardized term, the only people who accept it are others of like ignorance. I challenge any of you to discuss "NUMCHUCKS" w/ Fumio Demura, the original expert responsible for introducing Kobudo to the US. Note his reaction & walk away w/ your tail tucked between your legs.

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#180176 - 10/16/05 09:28 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: hedkikr]
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yes, you will all BLAZE IN THE DIALECTIC FIRES OF HELL for your IGNORANCE!!!
whatever you call it, swing with care and keep it on the DL.

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#180177 - 10/17/05 03:49 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: UofM Shorin Ryu]
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Maybe that it says "Dogpile" is trying to tell you something.
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#180178 - 10/17/05 04:25 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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OK...maybe I'm a "touch" sensitive.

(but I'm right)

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#180179 - 10/29/05 01:08 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: NeoSaturn]
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okay yes a with a gun or a sword it may be quicker to kill/mame someone but you must think okay nunchaku some are made of wood latched together with chain or even have metal handles but then on the other hand most nunchaku are made from wood or rattan and latched together with a cord kind of like a clothes line hmmm i wonder how many metal detectors are gonna pick up on those materials and also they are quite easily concealed in the small of your back and most friskings don't include that area so if you wanted to it is a very easy weapon to conceal which is illegal anyway i belive and also if you have ever accidently hit yourself with the nunchaku wether it be in kata or just trying to get the feel of them IT HURTS LIKE NOTHING ELSE I HAVE FELT!! especially on the "not so funny bone" just some things to ponder.
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#180180 - 10/29/05 01:52 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: chickenchaser]
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Your post included one period but contained probably close to 150 words. Next time use some grammar.

As for frisks not including the small of your back, this is wrong, and don't pretend like you know. The small of the back is a very popular area for concealed carry of small pistols and tactical knives (nonfolding). Almost every frisk by a police officer will include this area, or even if not, they are going to notice two big lumps on your back..


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#180181 - 11/03/05 12:43 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: paradoxbox]
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Quote:

Your post included one period but contained probably close to 150 words. Next time use some grammar.

As for frisks not including the small of your back, this is wrong, and don't pretend like you know. The small of the back is a very popular area for concealed carry of small pistols and tactical knives (nonfolding). Almost every frisk by a police officer will include this area, or even if not, they are going to notice two big lumps on your back..






okay professer i will try to work on my puncuation!

however i have been searched many times(friend in jail just so you don't think i'm a repeat offender or something) and never had the officer go anywhere near my back. he stuck to arms,sides,legs and my pockets. and try to calm down man it's just a forum not a widely published book.sheesh!!!!
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#180182 - 11/03/05 01:29 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: chickenchaser]
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Proper frisking techniques DO include the small of the back. Just because the officer didn't touch the small of your back doesn't mean it wasn't observed. You are NOT going to hide two pieces of 10-12 inch wood in your belt and expect it to not be found. I'll tell you what, next time you visit your friend in jail try to get in with nunchaku stuck in your waist band. See where that gets you. You don't have to be patted down for someone to notice a weapon of this size in your waistband. Take it from someone who has been arrested more than a few times in the past and is now a member of military police, you are NOT going to hide nunchaku anywhere on your body that a cop isn't going to find it.
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#180183 - 11/03/05 11:35 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: laf7773]
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Laf is correct. When you have 10 inches of wood in your pants, people notice.

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#180184 - 11/03/05 11:37 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: oldman]
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Especially when there's two of them.
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#180185 - 11/03/05 06:10 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: oldman]
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I saw that coming but no less funny when I read it. 10 inches of wood in your Gi pants would qualify for that "Most embarassing moment" thread.

Just had a warped thought...try to hide a tonfa in your pants (it's a visual thing)

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#180186 - 11/04/05 06:10 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: paradoxbox]
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I may not know if it is numbchucks or numbnuts but I know a 'period' (full-stop to the Brits) is punctuation, not grammar.
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#180187 - 11/04/05 10:55 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: trevek]
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I may not know if it is numbchucks or numbnuts but I know a 'period' (full-stop to the Brits) is punctuation, not grammar.




actually grammar is a blanket term covering spelling, punctuation, sentence construction, meaning of words, pronunciation of words and the history of words.
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#180188 - 11/04/05 05:59 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: funstick5000]
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I bow, hummblee curekted I am !

I apollygize to paradoxbox, period.

Akshooali, i fort grammar wuz marreed to grampa


Edited by trevek (11/04/05 06:02 PM)
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#180189 - 11/06/05 09:31 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: laf7773]
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Proper frisking techniques DO include the small of the back. Just because the officer didn't touch the small of your back doesn't mean it wasn't observed. You are NOT going to hide two pieces of 10-12 inch wood in your belt and expect it to not be found. I'll tell you what, next time you visit your friend in jail try to get in with nunchaku stuck in your waist band. See where that gets you. You don't have to be patted down for someone to notice a weapon of this size in your waistband. Take it from someone who has been arrested more than a few times in the past and is now a member of military police, you are NOT going to hide nunchaku anywhere on your body that a cop isn't going to find it.





okay i concede that point, but nunchaku are still a deadly weapon and easier concealed than say a rifle or a sword....
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#180190 - 11/06/05 11:29 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: chickenchaser]
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Your point is?
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#180191 - 11/07/05 03:40 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: chickenchaser]
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Of course, you could hide it down the front of your trousers and then if the cop frisks you and feels it, you can smile in a very friendly way...

Anyway, why all this talk of hiding weapons. Doesn't sound very nice to me.
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#180192 - 11/08/05 02:55 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: trevek]
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#180193 - 11/08/05 10:21 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: Ed_Morris]
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He looks waaaay too serious to be holding inflatable nunchaku.
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#180194 - 11/09/05 12:39 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Still can't conceal them.
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#180195 - 11/10/05 12:00 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: laf7773]
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Your point is?




my point is this thread is about nunchaku being illegal and why.so i was just trying to clear up the why part.thats all.
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#180196 - 11/10/05 06:57 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: chickenchaser]
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uh.....can you say whoops. I was carrying mine for halloween concealed under my hakama. It was mainly for safety reasons but I also performed a quick mock battle for some candy. I also showed his parents!!!! I do live in PA but I'm only 13 and obviosly considered a minor. Gosh if they ban nunchucks why don't they inject me with morphine while they're at it.
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#180197 - 11/11/05 02:01 AM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: chickenchaser]
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Exactly how did you prove your point? The fact that you think they are "easier" to conceal than a sword or riffle isn't what makes them illegal. Nunchaku aren't illegal in every state but carrying them is. Owning a riffle isn't illegal either but if you tried to conceal one on your person you are breaking the law. I'm not sure but i believe it's illegal to carry a sword in public, concealed or not, in every state. You can however transport a sword in the proper case away from easy access (such as in a sword bag in your trunk) in most states. You’re kinda missing the point as to WHY nunchaku are illegal and to what extent they are illegal. Anything deemed as a weapon that is carried on your body but not visible to the naked eye is illegal unless you have a permit to carry it, even a baseball bat. It has a lot to do with the perceived intent of the object.
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#180198 - 11/13/05 09:59 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: laf7773]
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It has a lot to do with the perceived intent of the object.




okay laf you are right i just asked my sensei and he had the same thought on the subject.i guess it does make more sense to be for intent of it than it does any other thing.sense intent covers a much broader area than anything i said .
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#180199 - 11/16/05 11:28 PM Re: Nunchaku illegal [Re: NeoSaturn]
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don't know about the other areas you mentioned, but here in California, it is illegal to carry or sell such weapons. It is completely legal to own them, just don't carry it down the street or hide it on your person. When you transport them to the dojo, put them in a carrying case in the trunk, and tell the cop right away if he stops you. No problems.
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