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#179152 - 10/02/05 02:14 PM Re: Have you ever hit first, and is it right? *DEL [Re: Enray]
UofM Shorin Ryu Offline
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Hitting first is fine if somethings about to go down, especially if you're cornered.





And if you have no qualms about getting your butt sued by the victim of your assault....
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#179153 - 10/02/05 02:50 PM Re: Have you ever hit first, and is it right? *DEL [Re: UofM Shorin Ryu]
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It's not really assault if your defending yourself. You just can't beat the guy up if you're able to get away.

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#179154 - 10/03/05 11:16 AM Re: Have you ever hit first, and is it right? *DEL [Re: UofM Shorin Ryu]
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Quote:

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Hitting first is fine if somethings about to go down, especially if you're cornered.





And if you have no qualms about getting your butt sued by the victim of your assault....




you wouldn't get sued for a pre-emptive strike if you were in a self-defense situation. its just a lot harder to prove it was self-defense but thats a lawyers job to prove to the judge and jury not your own.
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#179155 - 10/03/05 12:42 PM Re: Have you ever hit first, and is it right? *DEL [Re: funstick5000]
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First off, with the absurd stories of muggers and burgurlars winning lawsuits against their potential victims, I'm gonna have to decline accepting your statement about not getting sued.....I live in America, the sue-happy land of Lawyers.


We actually addressed this issue in class one day.
(which means another sifu said story)
Sifu said that if you are going to hit first:

1. make sure you're hands are up in a non-confrontational manner, and your first movement is BACK, ie, away from the problem. That lets the police, jury, judge know that your original intent was to avoid the situation.

2. make sure you don't use "excessive force" in the situation. I put it in parentheses because this can vary on the situation. Ex, if he's some massive strong arm dude and you think he has a weapon and you break his hand, jury might take your side.
If he's a scrawny punk kid and you break his nose, collarbone, wrists, legs, fracture 3 ribs...etc, jury might be inclined to side with the other guy.

And I WOULD make it my job to prove whether it was a self-defense situation or not, since it's my butt that's gonna be rommin with "Bubba" in jail, not the lawyer's.
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#179156 - 10/04/05 11:24 AM Re: Have you ever hit first, and is it right? *DEL [Re: UofM Shorin Ryu]
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i can't really speak for america here but what you (/your sifu) said is true, you would also look better if you called him an ambulence or ran away. witnesses also help.

sadly sue-happy culture is making its way over her as well.
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#179157 - 10/04/05 01:12 PM Re: Have you ever hit first, and is it right? *DEL [Re: funstick5000]
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You don't just learn offensive skills in Martial Arts, its called Self Defence for a reason.... not Self Attack if you think they might.

If I thought they were going to attack, I'd be prepared to defend and counter, not hit first.

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#179158 - 10/04/05 06:22 PM Re: Have you ever hit first, and is it right? *DEL [Re: Christie]
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You don't just learn offensive skills in Martial Arts, its called Self Defence for a reason.... not Self Attack if you think they might.

If I thought they were going to attack, I'd be prepared to defend and counter, not hit first.




Ofcurse you learn offensive skills! I'm on the other side of the coin with this one. If an attack is iminent,I'm dictating how it goes down,not waiting.
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#179159 - 10/04/05 11:17 PM Re: Have you ever hit first, and is it right? *DEL [Re: SANCHIN31]
Christie Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

You don't just learn offensive skills in Martial Arts, its called Self Defence for a reason.... not Self Attack if you think they might.

If I thought they were going to attack, I'd be prepared to defend and counter, not hit first.




Ofcurse you learn offensive skills! I'm on the other side of the coin with this one. If an attack is iminent,I'm dictating how it goes down,not waiting.




Depends on what kind of person you are, I've been told I'm "too nice." Ie. I let people walk all over me, in a self defence situation, I don't even know if I could ever hit the person, I hope I never have to find out.

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#179160 - 10/05/05 07:00 AM Re: Have you ever hit first, and is it right? *DEL [Re: Christie]
jamesd Offline
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Registered: 07/06/05
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Loc: Essex,England
Hi Everyone,

The way how i see it is, a good defence requires a good offence, sometimes you have to seize the moment and strike first, i've done it a few times but when i have done, i can assure you my actions were purely justified! regards,

James
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#179161 - 10/05/05 04:58 PM Re: Have you ever hit first, and is it right? *DEL [Re: Christie]
SANCHIN31 Offline
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Registered: 12/26/04
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Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

You don't just learn offensive skills in Martial Arts, its called Self Defence for a reason.... not Self Attack if you think they might.

If I thought they were going to attack, I'd be prepared to defend and counter, not hit first.




Ofcurse you learn offensive skills! I'm on the other side of the coin with this one. If an attack is iminent,I'm dictating how it goes down,not waiting.




Depends on what kind of person you are, I've been told I'm "too nice." Ie. I let people walk all over me, in a self defence situation, I don't even know if I could ever hit the person, I hope I never have to find out.




I believe in self preservation.A few years back a man came to my house late at night,angry,and looking for a fight because of what he heard I said. He steps back while yelling starts to take off his shirt. Should I have waited for him to attack me? Or hit first and slam him onto a doghouse like I did.
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