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#179100 - 09/03/05 10:49 AM Re: 5 Element Theory Basics [Re: Gavin]
Kosh Offline

Registered: 03/04/05
Posts: 302
Loc: Novo mesto, Slovenia

I agree. At this stage in the game, I don't know enough about the mulitude of theories relating to the acupoints to say whether or not one day, when I'm old and grey (well greyer than I am now...Is it right to have grey hair sprouting through at the tender age of 27?????) that I won't be able to combine this principles and be the meanest old bloke on the block. But, whatever use they actually are, I've got to learn them for the healing side of my studies anyway, they can only benefit the Martial side as well.

Haha, Gavin, I`m going to turn 19 in about half a a year and I already have a few gray hair.

About the theories... I think that in a real situation they don`t matter much. However, I wouldn`t call them a waste of time. I think that the theories are more important in the healing part and if you`re a geek like Gavin (and me ), they`re great. In a fight you attack what presents itself, no need to follow any specific theory IMO. But, I think, that afterwards everything can be explained by the theory. I think that at the beggining theories aren`t of that much use, but with time they get more important.
Peter ...Understanding is a three-edged sword...

#179101 - 09/03/05 07:04 PM Re: 5 Element Theory Basics [Re: Kosh]
Gavin Offline
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19....grey hair...geez, I doing well then!

As Kosh said, and kyushoguy have stated that there is probably a theory for every possible combination of strikes and if there isn't one, we could probably think of one.

However, I don't consider learning the theory a waste of time. Everything that enhances my knowledge of the human body is going to a bonus to my martial arts. If learning these theories was such a waste of time, why were they recorded in the kata's? Why are there many of the worlds top MA's studying this? Some of the material I'm studying at the moment is written by guys whose feet are firmly on the ground. I'm also a devoted realist, but I'm not yet ready to write off the pontential combat applications of these theories.

MA's like myself and Kosh (albeit I'm a bit greyer) are studying PP's in an age where there are so much information on this stuff its scary. Kysushoguy, have you looked much into the extraordinary meridians from a combative point of view? The information I've been given from others and from personal study points to some extremely practical uses of many of the theories.
Gavin King
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#179102 - 10/04/05 01:18 PM Re: 5 Element Theory Basics [Re: Gavin]
MikeC Offline

Registered: 09/23/05
Posts: 130
Loc: Kingston Ontario
Thank you, nice research.

For those who do not think it worth the time to study this kind of info, why did great students of the martial arts and fighting arts such as Miyagi Chojun did?

#179103 - 10/05/05 07:37 AM Re: 5 Element Theory Basics [Re: MikeC]
Gavin Offline
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Hi Mike,

Thanks you your kind words, and welcome to the forum! Feel free to chip in on any of my threads whenever you like!

Gavin King
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#179104 - 11/08/05 03:20 AM Re: 5 Element Theory Basics [Re: SANCHIN31]
TKA_KEMPO_NZ_8 Offline

Registered: 11/07/05
Posts: 3


I focus more on the techniques rather than the theories of why they work behind them. I don't doubt it,but for me it's just not worth the study.

Anyone can bounce the brain off the inside of someones skull to knock them out,wouldnt u like to be able to do it with ease and control if need be???? not to mention extending your own skill level.

#179105 - 11/08/05 04:52 PM Re: 5 Element Theory Basics [Re: TKA_KEMPO_NZ_8]
cks_cropper Offline

Registered: 03/04/05
Posts: 63
Well I have just been having a very quick glance over this kind of stuff recently and did a weekend course with Grandmaster Tom Muncy and it shows how easy it if to do things to people with so little effort. And if you go adding things like the 5 element theory into it, whilst bearing in mind the body types of people, you know exactally the result for what you are putting in. Im going to be looking into it further.

#179106 - 11/08/05 05:34 PM Re: 5 Element Theory Basics [Re: Gavin]
Diga Offline

Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 209
Loc: Hoodsport, Washington
I say good for you. To me the best martial artist can not only systematically distroy his opponent but can also heal their ailments.
Shiatsu will be a great addition to your arts studies, especially if you are a teacher, your students will be needing the antidote to whatever damage they have done to themselves or others.
Here is another suggestion for an interesting read.
The Complete System of Self Healing - internal exercises - by Dr. Stephen T. Chang.
It might be hard to find this book because there weren't many printed so try eBay or a used book store.
This book does not deal with fighting but it does deal with the elements and physical exercises you can do and the order that builds or destroys these elements.
If you do continue to educate yourself this would be a bonus for you and whoever you teach.

#179107 - 12/13/05 11:24 AM Re: 5 Element Theory Basics [Re: Diga]
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Registered: 12/12/04
Posts: 139
Loc: London, England
I carry this image around on my PSP. Indespensible if you're learning Wu-Xing.


#179108 - 12/13/05 01:21 PM Re: 5 Element Theory Basics [Re: StayUnderMyWing]
Gavin Offline
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Registered: 05/11/05
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Russell Stutely? Who's he? Bah!

If you're living in London Russell is doing a senimar this Sunday on Wave Forms and Balance Points. More info can be found here .

Gavin King
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#179109 - 01/20/06 09:49 AM Re: 5 Element Theory Basics [Re: Gavin]
je8ki9 Offline

Registered: 08/04/05
Posts: 32
Loc: UK
Oih gavin
Im going to be the nastiest old git on the block!!!
you wait your turn whippersnapper!! Damn kids they would nick your pension if your not lookin
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