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#178811 - 08/21/05 11:54 AM Re: "Identity Crisis" [Re: BuDoc]
Kintama Offline
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Registered: 04/17/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Massachusetts
"We are not trying to teach Martians to knit mittens."

I never attempt such tasks...I usually direct them to shop at wal-mart.

for the topic, I re-state: transporting yourself on location...here on Earth, we have land,sea and air transportation methods (not just theories, but actual methods).
However, solutions on other planets may vary.

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#178812 - 08/21/05 12:41 PM Re: "Identity Crisis" [Re: Kintama]
BuDoc Offline
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Registered: 05/03/05
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Damn it!

Wal-Mart is everywhere!

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#178813 - 08/21/05 04:37 PM Re: "Identity Crisis" [Re: BuDoc]
glad2bhere Offline
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Dear BuDoc:

I understand and think I hear more than a little frustration. Fact is that I feel a lot of frustration when it comes to subjects like this as well. The fact is, though, that it is BECAUSE such subjects can be so frustrating that noone takes time to discuss these things and the majority of threads become the sort of "is Aikido effective on the street" questions. Every now and then I wonder what happens when people who have been training for two or three decades want to discuss things in depth that is a step beyond the usual guep-level inquiries. Note that I am NOT running down the idea of gueps asking questions only that sometimes I wonder where 4th, 5th and 6th dans go to compare notes, do you know what I mean? If I can draw a parallel, take a moment and look at the "Aiki" thread which is an excellent example of some experienced people comparing notes as they sort things out for themselves.

For my part, there have been WAY too many times that higher ranking people need to be able to put their feet under a table and start talking about things that impact our communication but rarely (if ever) get discussed.

I can also say with complete candor that the next time someone wants to have a discussion about analyzing the nature and application of a form I will be citing some of the responses on this thread in order to make a case for using something OTHER THAN the culture of origin to examine that form. FWIW. Thoughts?

Best Wishes,

Bruce

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#178814 - 08/21/05 07:49 PM Re: "Identity Crisis" [Re: glad2bhere]
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it makes no difference how pure I may communicate if a person only wants to hear what is said in a single way





I meant both. Communication is a 2 way thing. People tend to filter both what they hear and what they say (or what they think the other person wants to hear).

The initial supposition is that you are doing a form (the Dance of the Black-Footed Elephants) with which your friend may not be familiar with. Even though you friend may speak the same language and come from the same background, their experience AND their perception of that experience may not be the same. A classic example of "filtering" here.

Not to belabor the point, and putting socio-anthropological philosophical subtexts aside, as humans, we are limited to visual, auditory and kinesthetic communication modalities. Each modality has its own set of transmission and reception filters.

Take for example, your question of "where do higher dans go to compare notes". "Dan"-levels being such an arbitrary classification of skill level, I would prefer to use the slightly more descriptive phrase, "slightly more advanced practitioners of the MA". But I do get your drift.

In a weak attempt to bring this topic back on track, what thoughts do I evoke if I say, that "kata" is not the message, but the medium thru which experience is communicated?

* opens another can of worms, throws line in water and waits for fish to bite *

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#178815 - 08/21/05 10:22 PM Re: "Identity Crisis" [Re: eyrie]
glad2bhere Offline
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"....In a weak attempt to bring this topic back on track, what thoughts do I evoke if I say, that "kata" is not the message, but the medium thru which experience is communicated?...."

For me that clearly underscores the greatest need to err on the side of the widest possible range of interpretations when examining the material.

Best Wishes,

Bruce

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#178816 - 08/21/05 10:26 PM Re: "Identity Crisis" [Re: eyrie]
harlan Offline
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Nope...I'm not biting.

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In a weak attempt to bring this topic back on track, what thoughts do I evoke if I say, that "kata" is not the message, but the medium thru which experience is communicated?

* opens another can of worms, throws line in water and waits for fish to bite *



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