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#177968 - 08/13/05 10:47 PM Re: Goju Groundfighting [Re: SANCHIN31]
GojuRyuboy13 Offline

Registered: 11/29/04
Posts: 538
Loc: U.S. of A.
My Sensei, and his Sensei, I believe, think that if you at least learn the movements of the kata you can than work on learning the secrets. You will learn all of the katas as long as you keep attending, ofcourse you might be a 5th degree BB before a couple are shown to you.
The more advanced the kata is the harder some of the movments are so they can be taught sometimes to more capable students than old fogies. No offense to anyone. Also, to like ya said, keep em alive, and fresh, and as part of Goju that is in you.

Our kata system goes from the fukyu katas, which are the basic, to the Gikisai dai ichi, dai ni, seifa, seyunchin, shisochin, sanseiryu, sepai, kururunfa, sesan, pychuran, and than sanchin and tensho katas. (my spelling is probably messed up on some of em, and the order as well. I might have forgotten one I am not sure)

But yep,
May the force be with you.

#177969 - 08/14/05 04:32 AM Re: Goju Groundfighting [Re: SANCHIN31]
CVV Offline

Registered: 08/06/04
Posts: 605
Loc: Belgium

My question is what do you think of this kind of curriculum? Is it straying away from what goju is about? Or is it right on track with what a good self defense program should have?

I would say it's not Goju-ryu at it's fullest.
It is clear that you are not offering the entire Goju-ryu curriculum of kata + you are offering kata not related to the traditional Goju-ryu teachings. From that point of view you are offering a hybrid system, with much emphasis on Goju-ryu kata.
Is it straying away from what Goju-ryu is about ? To investigate SD technique and principles inherent to Goju-ryu you're more complete if you know the entire kata curriculum and work with this entire system. This will lead to more academic knowledge around goju-ryu and the training principles like hojo-undo and kakie. But this academic knowledge is not necesarily real knowledge. In order to have real knowledge one must investigate conflict and apply/test his academic knowledge. I think that the difference between now and 100 years ago is this understanding of conflict and it's place in training. I can perform all 12 goju-ryu kata and know applications to all the moves, yet if I am asked to demonstrate my art I will usually restrict to sesan or sanseru. As far as fighting, I limit to striking, disbalancing, sabaki, small joint manipulation (fingers and thumb). My favorite technique is to hit the throath and attack PP on the arm, inside just above the elbow.
So how far am I in my journey in goju-ryu ? Academicly great but real life knowledge pretty dim.
It is good that you investigate other kata (enpi,naifanchi) and weapon kata (bo) and put emphasis into submission fighting. It will help to understand conflict.
I would encourage you and your group to investigate and study the other goju-ryu kata if the oppertunity presents itself. The most important however is that you are working in the spirit of karate and judging from what I have read from you, I do not doubt the quality of the studies presented by your group nor your ability. I have no problem
with the name nor with the curriculum. There are to many that think they posses the real knowledge but have academic knowledge at best.

#177970 - 08/15/05 02:58 AM Re: Goju Groundfighting [Re: CVV]
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Registered: 12/26/04
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Good points CVV. Thanks for all the replies!

We'll just keep doing what we know,until we know better.
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