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#177769 - 08/12/05 08:04 PM Body Conditioning and basics practice
ta_kuan_dao Offline
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Registered: 06/13/05
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Loc: Memphis, TN
Hey, i'm very interested in doing kung-fu, but my family can't afford it so i'm waiting until I go to college to do it. So i decided to spend this time conditioning my body for the rigors of kung fu and work on fundamentals. What are some good ways and exercises to prepare my body and build a proper foundation for kung fu. I know that stance training is a must but i also need info on stretching, balance, and body control exercises. If u give any input or recommend resources that show and give direction on how to perform the exercises and basic techs correctly for kung fu. If it helps, i'm thinking along the lines for preparation for Hung gar, Lohan, or Choy Li fut kung fu but anything to help my kung fu is great.

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#177770 - 08/13/05 02:02 AM Re: Body Conditioning and basics practice [Re: ta_kuan_dao]
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You'll still be okay to work on all that once you start your training. The reason I don't recommend you trying to do things on your own, is that wrong form can lead to fairly serious injuries on the long run. It really does take someone whatching over you to show you what's correct or not.

But don't get me wrong. There are things you can do right now. Stretching is a good one to work on, specially since you're still young. (High school right?). Just stretch like you would for sports. (Those basic touch the toes deals, etc.) You may also want to work your endurance. I found that playing sports and jogging/running help a lot when it came to kung-fu endurance. I mean, they'res still quite a bit different, but getting your muscles going and exercising your lungs help.

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#177771 - 08/13/05 04:04 PM Re: Body Conditioning and basics practice [Re: 18lohans]
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yes i agree just do basic things that you already know like push ups and jogging and things along those lines but you must be careful because it's easy to over work your body and injure it. do not strain yourself because it can lead to serious injuries. and if you do not eat healthy then that's something you should think about also. and drink alot of water because soda is pretty bad for you.

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#177772 - 08/14/05 11:56 PM Re: Body Conditioning and basics practice [Re: ta_kuan_dao]
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First, do fingertips push-ups daily. Start with a wall and slowly working down to the floor.

Do not straigthen your finger knuckles; keep them roundish as if holding a baseball.

After a month or so, tense your fingers and palms and hold the tension for up to 5 minutes (like a tiger claw, with fingers spread out) WITHOUT tensing your triceps; very important, do not tense your triceps.

Your can also do the 'horse-stance' with your hands. Go down normally as in a floor push-up, and instead of going up and down, just go down half way and stay there for as long as you can. BREATHE HARD -- in the nose, out the mouth. Have you ever wonder why tigers (the animal) have such powerful forearm strikes?

In any MA, waist flexibility is very important, as strikes can come from any direction, not just the front. So do lots of waist twistings, turnings and bendings.

Get some strong ankles by doing ankle lifts; all the jumping and leaping puts great pressure there and the first places to get injured.

At the end of 6 months, get a hard broom stick, cut it down to about 10 inches. While watching TV or just lazing around, hold it with both hands in any way you like and do 'static twists' -- one hand opposing the other and staticly holding the position for up to 5 mins for each hand combination / position that your fertile imagination can come up with. Some using more of the wrist strength, others the fingers only and some get your upper-arm and shoulders into it.

Always remember to breathe -- in the nose, out the mouth.

If you can keep the whole program up daily for 6-9 months, you will know why they were chosen as your preliminary introduction.

Good Luck, you will not regret it.
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#177773 - 08/15/05 02:53 AM Re: Body Conditioning and basics practice [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Have you ever wonder why tigers (the animal) have such powerful forearm strikes?





Cause they're %75 muscle and weigh 600lbs?
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#177774 - 08/15/05 03:27 AM Re: Body Conditioning and basics practice [Re: SANCHIN31]
ButterflyPalm Offline
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Quote:

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Have you ever wonder why tigers (the animal) have such powerful forearm strikes?





Cause they're %75 muscle and weigh 600lbs?





Really? a tiger has 450lbs of muscle? So the bones, entrails, skin etc. and some fat make up only 150lbs?


Actually I was thinking of saying a tiger has such powerful forearm strikes is because it walks on its hands and hence the need for humans to do horse-stance for the hands to get that kind of power. So, Sanchin31 (or is it 32 now?) here is another chance to humour us with some more of your wit and witticism, please.

By the way, how's your chemo. doing? Nausea? Yeah, I've been there; had it for more than 6 months.
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#177775 - 08/15/05 03:50 AM Re: Body Conditioning and basics practice [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Really? a tiger has 450lbs of muscle? So the bones, entrails, skin etc. and some fat make up only 150lbs?






Don't know really. I'll do some research and get back to you.

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Actually I was thinking of saying a tiger has such powerful forearm strikes is because it walks on its hands and hence the need for humans to do horse-stance for the hands to get that kind of power. So, Sanchin31 (or is it 32 now?) here is another chance to humour us with some more of your wit and witticism, please.





OK! I'm still 31 for another month and tigers don't have hands. Thanks for putting up with me.

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By the way, how's your chemo. doing? Nausea? Yeah, I've been there; had it for more than 6 months.







Then you know. I had a week treatment and was sick for a week. I'll start over next week,thanks for asking.
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#177776 - 08/15/05 04:41 PM Re: Body Conditioning and basics practice [Re: ta_kuan_dao]
BaguaMonk Offline
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Registered: 12/18/04
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Good tips everyone. One of the best for kicks and legs, besides rigorous stance work, is doing the basic kicks (front, side, back, round) and doing them slowly. Hold them out for long periods of time, with both hands in front of you (not at the side counterbalancing), try holding it first in the chambered position (roundhouse 90 degrees and as high as possible), then in the fully extended position. Then you can alternate between full speed and this slow tension excercises. Your balance will also improve, not only will you be able to deliver power kicks quickly, but you will be able to do it more than once on one leg.

Push ups are good, like some people said, finger tip, and holding yourself above the ground, about 1-3 inches, then SLOWLY pushing yourself up, and slowly letting yourself back down. Sitting in a horse stance and punching as hard and as fast as you can, while exhaling sharpy is great. Make sure all your power comes from the whipping of the waist, and that your arms are relaxed, but straight and structured.
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#177777 - 08/15/05 10:47 PM Re: Body Conditioning and basics practice [Re: BaguaMonk]
etaks86 Offline
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Registered: 04/14/05
Posts: 161
well i wouldn't do the fingertip push ups because that is really over straining your fingers and on top of that the worse part is is that in my opinion and i think a doctor would agree with me that doing such things as finger push ups will eventrully cause bad joint problems in your fingers. i myself will only do palm push ups and fist pushs these alone are very effective if done right in my opinion finger push ups are not worth it i wouldn't want to risk destroying my joint's in my fingers just for my fingers to be a little stronger but that me. it's up to you to figure out what you want to do. i'm just letting you know that finger push ups are not really that helpful and their at least for me not worth risking my joints in my fingers over. no offence to anyone i just don't think their worth risking my finger joints and cause all kind of pain like ten years down the road or whenever they start to feel the effects from the strain on the joints. also i wouldn't over practice air punching which is proven that it causes damage to your joints in your arms and so on for all the other parts of your body. believe me having strong fingers is really not going to help you win a fight. it's just not worth the health risk in my opinion. everything that you do should be done in small dose's and should be balanced out so not to cause injurie or other health problems.


Edited by etaks86 (08/15/05 10:49 PM)

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#177778 - 08/16/05 09:46 AM Re: Body Conditioning and basics practice [Re: etaks86]
monji112000 Offline
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Registered: 12/05/04
Posts: 177
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well i wouldn't do the fingertip push ups because that is really over straining your fingers and on top of that the worse part is is that in my opinion and i think a doctor would agree with me that doing such things as finger push ups will eventrully cause bad joint problems in your fingers.




I have a family of MDs.. They all say that its not a great idea..

JMO and 3 MDS


You can do basic things to improve your stamina, balance, power, speed.
Run, pushups, low horse stance, crab walk, standing on one leg for 2 minutes, chain punch for 1 minute, 1 minute of constant knee, heavy bag punching for 3 minutes, heavy bag kicking for 3 minutes, swimming, weight training,stretching.

I try doing them all.. (well as time permits)

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