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#177398 - 08/21/05 12:24 PM
Re: Thinking of Leaving TKD
[Re: glad2bhere]
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Registered: 08/11/05
Posts: 21
Loc: 23-F-NY
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Sir, your reasoning makes absolutely no sense to me. I'm not gonna continue wasting my time and money doing something that doesn't make me happy nor that has any use in a real life situation (such as olympic tkd) just because somebody thinks that I'll be a "better person" for it. Like I said, it makes no sense.
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#177399 - 08/21/05 04:47 PM
Re: Thinking of Leaving TKD
[Re: Eric4444]
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Registered: 08/11/00
Posts: 663
Loc: Lindenhurst, Illinois USA
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Dear Eric:
I had to smile as I read your post as it reminded me of a very animated challenge I made to an investment broker who was always advising people to "buy-and-hold" stock. Not once did I ever hear him counsel a person to sell a stock. Sounded like the same thing you were saying to me.
Anyhow, I agree that if a person is not accomplishing the changed in his Self that he has identified as his goals certainly I would counsel that person to consider a change. However, I think the change needs to be a heavily considered change. The person who started the thread indicated, I think, that he started with Karate, and went to TKD and now wants to return to Karate. In the sense of MA training this quite a bit more than just moving from one activity to another. Encouraging a person to make every effort to address why he is not getting what he wants from his training and to make every effort to look inside of himself to be sure there are legitimate reasons to change is a good way to learn more about oneself. That is why I pushed this particular thought, thats all.
Best Wishes,
Bruce
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#177400 - 08/21/05 04:54 PM
Re: Thinking of Leaving TKD
[Re: FiGhTiNg_PhAnTom]
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Registered: 08/11/00
Posts: 663
Loc: Lindenhurst, Illinois USA
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Dear F-P:
".....Friends say I should stick it out until I get my black belt and then leave but I don't know. Reaching black belt at my current school wouldn't really mean that much to me (for several reasons). Might as well leave as a current 2nd Gup rather than continue wasting my time. So what do you forum fellas think? Should I stick it out or move on?...."
You have characterized what you are doing as a "waste of time" and have told me that a completely intelligent observation based on my experience as a KMA practitioner and teacher "makes no sense." Perhaps you will excuse me but it seems to me that you have already made up your mind when you first started this thread and seem to be abreacting to any responses other than those that coincide with your decision. May I ask why you thought it necessary to ask a question for which you have already selected (and defended) an answer? Maybe I have this wrong but it seems very "troll-like" to ask a question from which you have already decided upon an answer for, yes? Thoughts?
Best Wishes,
Bruce
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#177401 - 08/21/05 09:21 PM
Re: Thinking of Leaving TKD
[Re: glad2bhere]
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Registered: 05/09/05
Posts: 1670
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Dear Eric:
I had to smile as I read your post as it reminded me of a very animated challenge I made to an investment broker who was always advising people to "buy-and-hold" stock. Not once did I ever hear him counsel a person to sell a stock. Sounded like the same thing you were saying to me.
Anyhow, I agree that if a person is not accomplishing the changed in his Self that he has identified as his goals certainly I would counsel that person to consider a change. However, I think the change needs to be a heavily considered change. The person who started the thread indicated, I think, that he started with Karate, and went to TKD and now wants to return to Karate. In the sense of MA training this quite a bit more than just moving from one activity to another. Encouraging a person to make every effort to address why he is not getting what he wants from his training and to make every effort to look inside of himself to be sure there are legitimate reasons to change is a good way to learn more about oneself. That is why I pushed this particular thought, thats all.
Best Wishes,
Bruce
Actually, I would have to characterize your posts as "Troll like" because it seems like you missed alot of what was written in the original post.
1)Phantom started in karate
2)Switched to TKD because the karate school MOVED to a new location and was no longer convenient (following the instructor just to be loyal is silly, especially in NYC).
3) Only wants to leave the current school because it lacks things in its curriculum that this person is seeking !
4) Your post below omitts most of the first part of the original post. Go back and read it! This person is doing the write thing. I don't think they made their mind before posting here, I believe that they were exploring all avenues to which will lead them where they want to go. Feels like you just want to be arguementitive.
VDJ
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#177402 - 08/21/05 09:23 PM
Re: Thinking of Leaving TKD
[Re: FiGhTiNg_PhAnTom]
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Registered: 05/09/05
Posts: 1670
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VDJ, I sent him an email yesterday. Depending on what he says, I'll have an idea of which style is best suited for me. The fact that the instructor is an ex-cop is great because that's the field I'm gonna be going into after I finish college. That's why I put such an emphasis in learning self defense and techniques that I can use in the real world. I'll let you know how things work out.
Good ! Remember, he's on vacation until the end of the week and will probably get back to you then.
VDJ
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#177403 - 08/21/05 10:30 PM
Re: Thinking of Leaving TKD
[Re: VDJ]
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Registered: 08/11/00
Posts: 663
Loc: Lindenhurst, Illinois USA
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Dear Eric:
Anyhow, I agree that if a person is not accomplishing the changed in his Self that he has identified as his goals certainly I would counsel that person to consider a change. However, I think the change needs to be a heavily considered change. The person who started the thread indicated, I think, that he started with Karate, and went to TKD and now wants to return to Karate. In the sense of MA training this quite a bit more than just moving from one activity to another. Encouraging a person to make every effort to address why he is not getting what he wants from his training and to make every effort to look inside of himself to be sure there are legitimate reasons to change is a good way to learn more about oneself. That is why I pushed this particular thought, thats all.
Actually, I would have to characterize your posts as "Troll like" because it seems like you missed alot of what was written in the original post.
1)Phantom started in karate
2)Switched to TKD because the karate school MOVED to a new location and was no longer convenient (following the instructor just to be loyal is silly, especially in NYC).
3) Only wants to leave the current school because it lacks things in its curriculum that this person is seeking !
4) Your post below omitts most of the first part of the original post. Go back and read it! This person is doing the write thing. I don't think they made their mind before posting here, I believe that they were exploring all avenues to which will lead them where they want to go. Feels like you just want to be arguementitive.
VDJ
It is not "troll-like" to give the person what they asked for. F-P asked for people's thoughts and that is what he got. As far as everything else you pointed up in your post, I acknowledged all of that information in my posts.
Apparently you think F-P is doing something good for himself. Apparently I think that F-P needs to do something other than what he has decided on. Were you of a mind that I was suppose to automatically agree with what was being said, or do I get to have an opinion of my own? You are welcome to you opinion. Please extend to me the same right.
Best Wishes,
Bruce
Edited by glad2bhere (08/21/05 10:33 PM)
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#177404 - 08/21/05 11:31 PM
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[Re: glad2bhere]
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Registered: 08/21/05
Posts: 20
Loc: Belgium
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#177405 - 08/22/05 01:10 AM
Re: Thinking of Leaving TKD
[Re: MrChoppyMan]
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Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 161
Loc: New York
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Very funny lol.
Also very in depth MrChoppyMan.
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#177406 - 08/22/05 09:13 AM
Re: Thinking of Leaving TKD
[Re: MrChoppyMan]
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Registered: 08/11/00
Posts: 663
Loc: Lindenhurst, Illinois USA
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I agree, leave TaeKwonDo, you'd learn to fight better if you spent the same time training at a preschool lmao. Keepin mind I am serious.
I dislike arts that have no purpose.
That is my suggestion.
Dear Mr. Choppyman:
I, too, do not care for efforts that have no purpose. However, I do not believe that fighting, or learning to fight, is all that TKD is about. Even Hapkido, which is argeably more combat oriented is much beyond simply taking out ones opponent. When Gen Choi spoke of TKD as he developed the art, his reported intention was to enhance confidence, increase national pride, foster teamwork and so forth. To expand on the S-D aspects Gen Choi encouraged TKD folks to incorporate such grappling arts as Yudo and Hapkido into their Hoshinsul, but the intent of TKD was that of personal growth not learning how to beat-up people. This is a major point of contention between dedicated TKD people and most individuals with a more superficial investment in MA. I view this sort of thinking as not unlike a person who wants to enlist in the military so they can get the chance to kill another person "legally". It simply doesn't work that way. FWIW.
Best Wishes,
Bruce
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#177407 - 08/22/05 09:58 AM
Re: Thinking of Leaving TKD
[Re: FiGhTiNg_PhAnTom]
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Professional Poster
Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 3260
Loc: Midwest City, Ok, USA
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I think what you have planned is great, if a system doesn't meet your needs (and being 2nd gup in U know if it does) then change. The MA is a personal thing and if the road that your school set if its getting a gold medal this is the school for u. If U want better personal system for self defense then leave, any system that does not give merit to a punch to the head is not that system. Now Traditional TKD is a good foundation to grow from.
When I see Olympic style TKD bump each other in the chest to get kicking room, its amusing, but I have to remember its a sport and a very good athletic sport, but far from a self defense system. Now as I mentioned Trad TKD is a good self defense system, base.
If decided to change do it knowing its for the best if your goals are what U stated. And let know nobody tell you any different at Red or Brown belt you know what the cirricculum has to offer. Do whats best for U, don't ride out something that does not fit your goal. This is what I hear U saying, Olympic TKD is not U. Me either.
Edited by Neko456 (08/22/05 10:07 AM)
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