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#176597 - 08/22/05 12:18 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: MrChoppyMan]
Mark Hill Offline

Registered: 08/12/04
Posts: 1068
Loc: Australia
How come the copper I do Hapkido with can discuss restraints and strikes, and some of my fellow BB's at karate have been bouncers for years without major injury, while "escorting" all manner of drunken bozos and criminal flith from public bars...

How come a local boxer and BJJist (both quite good) are happy to work with one of these people (they all respect each other's abilities)?

Three martial arts outside of karate have practitioners who pay it respect.

I'll suggest your views are shallow and half baked.

#176598 - 08/22/05 12:25 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: MrChoppyMan]
xuzen_628 Offline
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Registered: 08/02/05
Posts: 102
Loc: Malaysia

Karate does not = anti grappling....

Karate = useless. Find something else. Unless you want a flase sense of security.


I have just watched a movie titled "Fighter in the wind" which is a Korean based movie which is based on the life of Choi Baedal aka Mas Oyama the founder of Kyukushin Karate. The karate shown is quite impressive... quite different from the type I see during competition. Hmm, if karate is potential to be like what I see it that movie, I would not be so quick to dismiss it as completely useless.

Knowing one technique that will surely work is better than knowing hundred that will probably work.

#176599 - 08/22/05 12:32 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: MrChoppyMan]
butterfly Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 3012
Loc: Torrance, CA
Mr. Choppy Man,

Let's say this: disrespect is what you have been showing a lot of practioners on these boards in various arts. If I chose Olympic fencing for the art I am would not be out of consideration of self defense. My thoughts would not be for the guy on the street corner attacking me with his foil. What I am saying is my reasons are my own, not yours to decide for me.

What you have done is blasted your way on these forums and decided that you know best for others as to how and why they should train. Their considerations for training may not be yours. And it is not in your pervue to decide how, why, or with whom any of the folks here should train.

As far as religion goes, this is none of your business how I proceed in my daily life. Nor is it the business of this forum, or anyone on it, to parade religion to others. Even vague prosyltizing is not something I care for.

Finally, if you really believe a supernatural force intervened on your behalf for some sort of vengeance...then you have more problems that I care to consider. Ever heard of coincidence?


#176600 - 08/22/05 12:49 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: butterfly]
laf7773 Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
Posts: 4065
Loc: Limbo
Stop replying to this guy. He is an obvious troll and will be banned as soon as admin receives the numerous e-mails from the moderators. DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
Enjoy life while you can, you never know when things will change.

#176601 - 08/22/05 12:53 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: laf7773]
MrChoppyMan Offline

Registered: 08/21/05
Posts: 20
Loc: Belgium
Ignore me,I am a hipocritical and judgemental TROLL. I know noone cares about my religious beliefs or my political agenda on here.
By the way SANCHIN31 is my forum superdaddy! YAY SANCHIN!!

Edited by SANCHIN31 (08/22/05 01:22 AM)

#176602 - 08/22/05 01:01 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: butterfly]
xuzen_628 Offline
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Registered: 08/02/05
Posts: 102
Loc: Malaysia

Sir, obviously you are a Troll, your post is incomprehensible and incoherent and as what you put in your bio, you have no life. So get one and enjoy it. I have added you to my ignore list. Have a good life, if you even have any.

Knowing one technique that will surely work is better than knowing hundred that will probably work.

#176603 - 08/22/05 10:22 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: MrChoppyMan]
Neko456 Offline
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Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 3260
Loc: Midwest City, Ok, USA
Anybody that thinks Karate is useless either has not trained right or has never had the confidence to fight regradless of what art he studies. Its not the Art that you study its how U use it. People that think Karate is point fighting I could see how they could think that its has major flaws. But lower, change and focus those same techniques at another target or with more power and becomes a formindable.

A hear a lot of people saying that as BJJ 3 year blue belt could beat most Karate BB 2-3yrs sometimes. Thats not a big deal when I was Purple belt I use to beat mediocre BBs, but I stayed Purple belt 2 years (My Sensei had move out of town and I studied other arts until finding another home dojo). So its time in it has nothing really to do with system or Belt rank.

As for Bjj doing well in UFC, thats great it still doesn't take anything away from how I used Karate to defend myself proir to the TV showing or DVDs. But it was interesting and useful.

Edited by Neko456 (08/22/05 10:24 AM)

#176604 - 08/22/05 11:36 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: MrChoppyMan]
Gavin Offline
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Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 2267
Loc: Southend, Essex, UK

SANCHIN31 is my forum superdaddy! YAY SANCHIN!!

See Choppy, you can write a decent post when you put you're mind to it! LOL Sanchin!
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#176605 - 08/22/05 07:20 PM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: SANCHIN31]
Bushi_no_ki Offline

Registered: 05/03/05
Posts: 1669
Loc: POM, Monterey CA
Probably one of the most overlooked things is that the long forward stance is excellent for grappling from. By sliding your leg behind the other persons, snapping it straight against the back of his knee, and pushing against his head/upper body, you will cause him to go straight to the ground. If I knew any of the higher level kata from the Okinawan styles, I could easily find several bunkai that match this.

#176606 - 08/24/05 06:34 PM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
WADO Offline

Registered: 04/23/04
Posts: 900
Loc: denver co usa
I think this question requires a definition of what groundfighting is. For example in many Judo schools almost no time is spent on the ground, if you are thrown then you get back into the ready position and begin again. By grappling do you mean trapping, grabbing, pushing, pulling, throwing and sweeping, or do you mean actual time on the ground. If it includes those things I listed above than our school is about 50% punching, kicking, and various other hand techniques, with another 45% in standup wrestling mode practicing sweeps joint locks and throws, mabey 5% of the time we pull the mats out and actually wrestle on the ground, looking for locks chokes and working for position. Wado is drawn from Karate and Jui Jitsu but I think a great deal of Traditional Jui Jitsu is training to put your opponent on the ground and hold them on the ground while you remain upright then you can do whatever you want with them. In the sport form it seems the goal is to take your opponent to the mat with you on top and work for a pin or points, or submission.

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