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#176587 - 08/09/05 10:59 PM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: Crash]
Bushi_no_ki Offline
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Registered: 05/03/05
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Sanchin, I would have to say that karate is far from "antigrappling" or lacks the training to defend it. I've been doing some research into AKK's history, and one of the things I've come up with is that AKK is definitely descended from Okinawan Karate, and it has a strong grappling base.

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#176588 - 08/10/05 04:07 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: SANCHIN31]
GojuRyuboy13 Offline
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In our little school, we really aren't anti grappling, but we try to avoid it I geuss. It's more or less a thing were after you hit the person several times than you go for a nice little take down to finish em.

We just don't practice throws and joint locks that much. I geuss that some of the peoples thoughts (including myself) is that if the guy or gal goes for some attempt to takedown that's just more oppurtunities to hit em. Except for the skilled grapplers . Than I suppose it becomes more or less a wrestling match.

Never really had anyboy shoot in on me, or even quickly dart in to throw me from some stand up position. I hope am quicker than that. We try to be more evasive.

But like I said, we aren't entirely anti grappling, we just don't work on it as much as I think we should. Since it is a huge part of almost any self defense situation and what not.
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#176589 - 08/10/05 06:38 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: GojuRyuboy13]
Deltaforce69 Offline
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Yes!
All Okinawan styles have grappling, throwing techniques but the emphasis is placed on striking. Once you have developed good evasion and striking skills throwing becomes easy. Also, if you form the techniques of Shorin Ryu properly it is very difficult to apply grappling techniques.

Karate is an immediate street self defence system (just thinking Tom Muzila, Ninomiya, Oyama,Michael j Lorden Kyan, Motobu, Jordan Roth, Arakaki Sensei etc...

It depends how is taught, how good the master is AND MORE IMPORTANT HOW MUCH CONDITIONED YOUR LIMBS AND BODY ARE!!

gambatte


Edited by Deltaforce69 (08/10/05 07:03 AM)

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#176590 - 08/11/05 12:39 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: SANCHIN31]
bo-ken Offline
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I pratice throwing/ground fighting on my own but I don't feel skilled enough to teach what I have learned. I train with a guy who knows a lot of wrestling and holds. We work together to make grappling moves more karate like. For example he likes to use brute strenght to lift people and throw them while I like to strike quickly and use speed to throw them.

Its hard for me to explain what I mean I hope you understood it.

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#176591 - 08/21/05 02:27 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: bo-ken]
Mark Hill Offline
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I think grappling is inherit in karate - we spar, we end up in close, takedowns and groundfighting. We also train to "anti-grapple" because that is part of graplling - counters you know. . We also train to counter some takedowns in bunkai and self defense.

(If you have been to Stanic Milos's Shorin Ryu site, download the vid) or if you are familiar with the bunkai of Kanku Dai /Kusanknu it is full of grappling, aggressive takedowns and escapes.

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#176592 - 08/21/05 03:49 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: Mark Hill]
jkdchick Offline
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Registered: 08/18/04
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Loc: Canada
There's no such thing as "anti-grappling" anyway. To beat a grappler you gotta grapple.

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#176593 - 08/21/05 05:03 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: jkdchick]
Mark Hill Offline
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Registered: 08/12/04
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Loc: Australia
That's what I meant.

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#176594 - 08/21/05 11:40 PM Re: Karate = anti grappling? *DELETED* [Re: butterfly]
MrChoppyMan Offline
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Loc: Belgium
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#176595 - 08/22/05 12:00 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? [Re: MrChoppyMan]
butterfly Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 3012
Loc: Torrance, CA
Mr. Chophappy,

You seem to have aimed your rhetoric at me. I don't know why, I have not commented on your take on Martial arts. "I" find karate usable. You have not met me nor do you know the reasons why I study this art.

I have no considerations on why :you" do not like karate. Perhaps you have studied with folk that are a little less qualified than the people that I have studied with.

In any case, my advice to you would be the same as any one else stating what you are saying: If you do not like it, don't do it. I enjoy it, I do it. I did not ask for your take on what I do or the reasons why you consider something "useless."

Enjoy the day...and though many would agree with your tagline. Religious comments are outside the boundaries of this forum and I would appreciate it if you wouldn't list it.

Regards,

-B

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#176596 - 08/22/05 12:15 AM Re: Karate = anti grappling? *DELETED* [Re: butterfly]
MrChoppyMan Offline
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