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#174880 - 08/03/05 02:34 PM fighting stance: orthodox or south paw?!
Jay Q Offline
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Registered: 08/27/04
Posts: 20
I'm right handed and also kick a lot better with my right leg than left. Consequently, I was taught early on in my MA training to use my right hand as my cross (knockout punch). The theory being to set up my combos with a left jab and knockout the opponent with the right cross.

I know most people are right handed and I know that most fight orthodox style (left as the front jab, right as the cross). I'm thinking of switching stances to south paw because my right kicks are a lot better than my left. I can also set up more combination kicks with my right leg (hook, low thai kick, high thai kick, occassional axe kick, etc.) My problem with orthodox stance was that when I kicked with my right leg (which was to the rear of my stance) my opponent would see it coming because it was a longer distance to travel.

Anyways, sorry for the long post. Just wanted to know of any of your experiences with switching stances after fighting a certain way for a long time. I'm going to experiment tonight at my sparring session. Thanks for the input!

Peace,
JQ

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#174881 - 08/03/05 07:34 PM Re: fighting stance: orthodox or south paw?! [Re: Jay Q]
cinattra Offline
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Registered: 08/03/05
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The rear hand/leg is supposed to be your power hand/leg. I can't see how you can throw a power kick from your front leg, especially when your opponents leg will be so close to yours since he will be in an orthodox stance with left leg forward and you're in the southpaw stance. Hook kicks seem out of place for MMA and more the domain of TKD point scoring.

I'd say develop your left leg for strong low kicks the occassional high kick or learn to fight with your right leg forward sometimes and back the others.

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#174882 - 08/03/05 08:02 PM Re: fighting stance: orthodox or south paw?! [Re: cinattra]
Jay Q Offline
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Registered: 08/27/04
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Good point cinatra. I agree that it's important to be able to switch stances when needed; to flow and adapt. Thanks.
JQ

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#174883 - 08/07/05 12:28 AM Re: fighting stance: orthodox or south paw?! [Re: Jay Q]
Chen Zen Offline
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Registered: 02/09/03
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It is important to be able to switch between the two effectively. Imade the switch to southpaw a few years ago, putting my strong side forward. It is quite possible to generate power from the lead. In kicks or punches. Its in the footwork and the use of good body mechanics.
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#174884 - 08/09/05 06:05 AM Re: fighting stance: orthodox or south paw?! [Re: Chen Zen]
Ayub Offline
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Registered: 11/26/04
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Loc: London, UK
I too have made the switch to fighting southpaw and have found that having your more coordinated side forward allows you to fully capitalise on your own speed attribute. As Chen Zen said one is able to generate lots of power by attacks from your lead by body mechanics, just look at Bruce Lee's lead side kick for proof. Also the additional speed allows one to effectively intercept an opponenents attack. The low lead kick for instance, easily allows for breaking distance when used with the correct timing.

Ayub

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#174885 - 08/09/05 06:16 AM Re: fighting stance: orthodox or south paw?! [Re: Jay Q]
RossKo Offline
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Registered: 07/25/05
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Loc: Kent, UK
The way we find our new students fighting stances is to get them to stand up straight with their feet together and arms by their sides "like a soldier" and push them from behind. one of their feet will come forwards to stop them from falling over and this is their "front foot" from now on. Until they have mastered the basics anyway because then they have to start learning to fight in both stances. Usually most people stick their left out first which leaves the stronger right side for the cross etc but I just opened up a new club and 16 out of 24 people went right first - freaky!
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#174886 - 08/09/05 01:04 PM Re: fighting stance: orthodox or south paw?! [Re: RossKo]
Jay Q Offline
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Registered: 08/27/04
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thanks for the very enlightening input from all. After experimenting with switching stances at my last sparring session I have to say that switching to right lead was much more effective. I could flash my jab quicker and it was stronger than my left. Consequently I could bridge the distance better bc that side is faster. Also my right leg was more effective as a "cutting" kick to keep my opponent at a distance, or to throw a low thai kick.

of course the low thai kick from the lead is not as powerful as from the rear, but it keeps my opponent thinking twice about advancing.

Nevertheless, I agree with what has been said here that being able to switch back and forth is invaluable. But after experimenting and using my right lead more I regret not trying it sooner.

Lesson here: don't get stuck in old training habits. Always be open to learning and improving!

Osu!
JQ

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#174887 - 08/09/05 01:05 PM Re: fighting stance: orthodox or south paw?! [Re: RossKo]
funstick5000 Offline
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Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 759
Loc: West Yorkshire, England
Quote:

The way we find our new students fighting stances is to get them to stand up straight with their feet together and arms by their sides "like a soldier" and push them from behind. one of their feet will come forwards to stop them from falling over and this is their "front foot" from now on. Until they have mastered the basics anyway because then they have to start learning to fight in both stances. Usually most people stick their left out first which leaves the stronger right side for the cross etc but I just opened up a new club and 16 out of 24 people went right first - freaky!




it would be better if most dojos did this, would have made my karate a lot more comfortable having my right foot forwards instead of my left. i used to have right forwards in sparring anyway as we got to chose our stance.
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#174888 - 08/14/05 06:18 PM Re: fighting stance: orthodox or south paw?! [Re: funstick5000]
RossKo Offline
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Registered: 07/25/05
Posts: 95
Loc: Kent, UK
I know what you mean. I have studied how other styles train and whilst I will never slate another style for training differently as they all have their strengths I personnally feel that most people would benifit from being tested this or any other similar way. Though I think (please correct me if I'm wrong) that be the time we progress through the ranks to black belt level or equivalent that we are capable of ambidexterous profeciency. Though my left foot forward will always be my best side!
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#174889 - 08/14/05 07:52 PM Re: fighting stance: orthodox or south paw?! [Re: RossKo]
JKogas Offline
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Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 10818
Loc: North Carolina
Whatever lead you choose is irrelevent. Just pick one and stay with it because it takes quite a while to develop skill.


-John

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