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#173410 - 07/30/05 07:37 PM How much should you train?
SANCHIN31 Offline
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Like everyone else I try to balance my karate training,work,family,entertainment,etc..So how much should one train to become good at self defense? I realize that it is the quality that matters and not the quantity,so how much quality time? How much time do you spend now practicing your art?
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#173411 - 07/30/05 08:29 PM Re: How much should you train? [Re: SANCHIN31]
butterfly Offline
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Sanchin,

This is a good question. When I was younger I used to practice all the time...meaning 6-7 days a week sometimes...not all the times. From 2-4 hours at a time. As I got older, I just couldn't manage this with my other responsibilities...and now my wife. So, I make a choice to do this instead of that and try to do the best I can at whatever I am doing at that time. I am not a professional martial artist and need to earn a living in other areas outside of MAs...so this necessitates certain considerations.

So I practice the best I can when I can, but try to maintain at least 3-4 classes a week. This is in addition to lifting 3 times a week and running at least 3 days on opposing days from the lifting.

I think one should aspire at least to a three day a week program. Less than this and you risk not allowing your body to develop with the technique and losing what muscle tone and endurance you had gained.

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#173412 - 07/30/05 09:27 PM Re: How much should you train? [Re: SANCHIN31]
Crash Offline
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I think there's nothing wrong with training everyday even if it's just 15 minutes. Think about it, you can do alot in 15 minutes or you can focus on one technique and that's a decent amount of time to train one technique, if you did it every day that would give you efficiency in that technique.
e.g. if you did 10 min of a combination like "jab, right, kick" over and over everyday for a week or two and then you got jumped, chances are the first thing you would do is "jab, right, kick"

or in 15 min you could do one kata over and over to improve it or learn something new from it.

my point is people can do more with the little time they have than feel guilty about not training. But at the same time with all your going through right now I think you deserve to relax and unwind a bit.

SANCHIN31 you have character I can't compare with, your dedication to the martial arts really impresses me, even while fighting cancer your still striveing towards self perfection, karate is a persuite of excellence and you are what karate is all about.
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#173413 - 07/30/05 09:48 PM Re: How much should you train? [Re: Crash]
SANCHIN31 Offline
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my point is people can do more with the little time they have than feel guilty about not training. But at the same time with all your going through right now I think you deserve to relax and unwind a bit.




No doubt,I will. I'm not concerned with training right now,but I will try to stay active.After I get through this I'll worry about that.

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SANCHIN31 you have character I can't compare with, your dedication to the martial arts really impresses me, even while fighting cancer your still striving towards self perfection, karate is a pursuit of excellence and you are what karate is all about.






Wow! What a compliment! Thankyou very much.

The few minutes everyday is a good idea for a really busy person.
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#173414 - 07/30/05 10:10 PM Re: How much should you train? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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Well since I don't have a family and a full time job and other responsibilities like that yet. All I really want to do is train. I wish there was some sort of class that worked out for a good 4 hours each day.

That would be sweet, but when I start supporting myself more and am out of this crummy city, I hope I can still train at least in three classes a week. With, ofcourse, the weight lifting and cardio exercise


Edited by GojuRyuboy13 (07/30/05 10:11 PM)
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#173415 - 07/31/05 01:13 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: SANCHIN31]
Kintama Offline
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right now, I'm only doing 2 x 2hr classes a week. I bike or run when I feel like it. Starting Sept I'm doing 3 x 2 hr classes of Shorin and a few hours/wk on my own to keep up on Goju kata. Since moving, I'll be able to train a bit at home now too. my goal is to gradually get back up to about 10 hrs total a week.

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#173416 - 08/01/05 12:40 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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Ok I am a young guy and I don't have a job so I train a lot. I only have college 2 days a week so that helps too. I train 5-7 days a week. On mondays, wednesdays, and fridays I train for 4 hours.

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#173417 - 08/01/05 10:19 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: bo-ken]
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The dojo I practise is keen to maintain the family, work then karate ethic, with which I agree.

However i do train 3 x 2 hour sessions in the dojo, and 2 1 hour sessions (strength, endurance,makiwara mainly) at home each week. This feels right and is comftorable without being to extreme.

i am starting a study of shiatsu each week and will drop a dojo session for the duration of the course.

Balance is a new word to me and something that i think is vitaly important if you view training as a long term progress.
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#173418 - 08/01/05 11:13 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: bo-ken]
Christie Offline
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You only have college 2 days a week. I wish I had college only 2 days a week, but nooooo instead I have to have 27 hours of class a week. I mean seriously, who goes to school to be an engineer (:P).. social suicide!

Right now I train (in TKD) 3 x 1hr classes a week and (in kickboxing) 4 x 1hr classes a week. At home I practice for about an hour a night (including my warm up and calistenics) and on weekends for 3hrs sometimes more or less depends on the weather and my mood :P. So that totals about 15hrs give or take a few hours a week.

When I go back to Toronto for school I train in tkd 7 to 9 1 hr classes a week depending on midterms, labs, projects, exams, assignments class time etc. and I trian in BJJ 1 2hr class and 1 3hr class. At home I may practice for an hour or so a night. Sometimes not at all because of school. So that totals about 19 hrs/week give or take a few hours a week.

It's official... I'm obsessed.

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#173419 - 08/01/05 11:29 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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Like most I have to juggle committments of work, family etc.
At the moment I train Karate 2 x 1 1/2 hrs a week because my instructor has ruptured his achillies tendon and has had to cancel some sessions. Soon as he is well I will start training another 2 x 1/2 hrs a week on top. Along side this I have just added an extra 2 hrs of Jujutsu a week as well as teaching 2hrs a week. Home training is as and when I can fit it in even if it is 10 minutes on the bag or makiwara, or even a quick kata in my garden while I'm supposed to be hanging out the washing.
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#173420 - 08/01/05 01:35 PM Re: How much should you train? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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I always say that 15 minutes of focused training is far more productive than 2 hours of haphazard training. Even Funakoshi Gichin said that a half-hour of consistent training every day will yield results. Quality AND consistency are far more important than quantity. Consistent physical training combined with zazen (if you so choose) and other mental exercises, and academic study result in a well rounded warrior!
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#173421 - 08/03/05 05:27 PM Re: How much should you train? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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Most of you are luckier.

Its easier when you train as a kid and need to cut back as an adult.

Im 21 and just started training a few months back. Life has allready cought up with me. Splitting my time between my music, school, work, family and friends has been difficult. It will prove even more difficult when college starts up. The best method I found is to sacrafice and make all 5 classes a week. I hardly have time to practice, lift or run at home. But as long as I make the class, I feel thats sufficent untill I can manage my time better.

This still discourages me though. I feel like I am ripping myself off.


Edited by elmcityslim (08/03/05 05:28 PM)
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#173422 - 08/04/05 05:56 PM Re: How much should you train? [Re: elmcityslim]
1973 Offline
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You might be happier with your training if you did 2-3 classes per week and spent that remaining time working/training on what you learned.As mentioned quality over quantity. Learn a few things well and have time to practice instead of just blasting through class after class and maybe not getting the quality you obviously desire. Ask your instructor their thoughts. Although class time is technically training, I've always been of the opinion that class was where you got your information and education and do enough repetitions to be able to go home and do it as correctly as possible. Then the real training began when you went home and practiced countless repetitions or whatever you can manage time wise. I realize some schools do many repetitions of just a few techniques per class, so I guess it depends on the school. Just a thought. As far as the original question: What works for me is 4-5 days per week, but after any extra harder than normal physical workout I will do better(physically & technically) with 2 days off before the next session rather than one day off

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#173423 - 08/11/05 10:01 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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Hi, guy! Allow me to echo what's been said: Your dedication is truly inspirational. So is your spirit, the "I'll defeat this beast" courage you're demonstrating, without bragging.
As to specifics, I'm just now easing back into training after a 2 mos. absence (Quality time with my daughter during summer vacation. More on this below). But my normal routine is Karate 3 X 1 hrs./wk., Kenjutsu 2 X 1 1/2 hrs./wk., lifting 4 sessions/wk. I'll intersperse bag work at a kickboxing gym whose owner is a friend as often as time allows. When time is short, I'll pound on ole BoB at home. So I sort of mix in butterfly's and crash's concepts of scheduled, consistent training with catch-as-can when time's short.
That said, those of us that're into this for life sometimes tend to over do it, as if we still live in a world where you can be challenged to a sword fight just by leaving your house! I'm not blind to the violence in the news, but let's keep it in perspective! There ain't a Jason waiting behind every light pole! It took me a while to figure that out as I got older and life made it's demands. Nowadays, though, work and emotional "self- defense" trumps the MAs for me, and if I have to miss practice, so be it! Martial artist is just one hat we wear!
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#173424 - 08/11/05 10:26 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: Alejandro]
harlan Offline
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Good to know. Between 2 jobs, 18 hr days, 6 days at work and family committments...my practice is limited to a daily 1/2 - hr lunch period. I refuse to get less than 6 hrs sleep, and despite my teacher's encouragement I refuse to try to sneak in 'kung li' exercises on a 15 minute break.
My coworkers think I am crazy as it is...they don't need a show.


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I always say that 15 minutes of focused training is far more productive than 2 hours of haphazard training. Even Funakoshi Gichin said that a half-hour of consistent training every day will yield results. Quality AND consistency are far more important than quantity. Consistent physical training combined with zazen (if you so choose) and other mental exercises, and academic study result in a well rounded warrior!




Edited by harlan (08/11/05 10:30 AM)

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#173425 - 08/11/05 11:00 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: harlan]
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At the moment I have 4 x 1 1/2 hours lessons and I try and usually squeze a couple more sessions at home usually cycle about twice a week too. Trouble is I spend about 20 hours a week commuting to work, but we've just had it confirmed that we'll be moving the office to my home town 5 mins from my house! With my new training room hopefully finished next month, guess where most of those extra 20 hours is going to be spent!
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#173426 - 08/15/05 02:55 PM Re: How much should you train? [Re: Gavin]
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I go to class about 3-4x a week, and try to practice at least 2x for 1 1/2 hr. when at home, but sometimes I'll substitute that time with getting together with my friend (who is the same belt rank as I am and attends the same school) and practicing for like 2-3 hours at a time (which is fun!). But I also just randomly throw techniques while I'm at home. It forces you to have great control when you're joking around and pretending that your family members are punching bags!

One of the best black belts in my school says she only trains for 30 min. (although I could have heard that totally wrong. I just remember being floored when she told me her answer). Either she has a schedule where she only works certain things one day, or maybe she just does the technique once and does it with complete focus, concentration, and skill to firmly engrain it into her brain. I dunno. Maybe I just totally misheard her .

I've realized that the best way to shorten my time spent training is when I train at home, to have my right leg back one day, then my left leg back the next, and so on. That way, I'll be proficient in my technique no matter which leg is forward when I'm fighting, and I don't have to work both legs (which is time consuming). It really helps alot. Well, for now, anyway .
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#173427 - 08/15/05 04:04 PM Re: How much should you train? [Re: Alejandro]
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As much as you can, as time goes on you will fall into a rythm of training and your body will dictate how much you train. One of the most important aspect of karate is not just training technique but "living the life". Read as much as possible on this subject.
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#173428 - 08/16/05 03:21 PM Re: How much should you train? [Re: SANCHIN31]
Talimas Offline
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I train 10-12 hours in class a week, 30 mins-2 hours at home each day (generally 30 mins but sometimes weekends yield well, and tend to randomly throw techniques all day during work and at home.

Most of my friends think Im nuts, because I am constantly kicking at air or using someone as a target (fiance works well since she will kill me if I miss and hit her). Lucky for me I am in IT by trade and have to frequently walk between three buildings, which gives me a good chance to throw simple reverse punches and back fists while dodging big brother.

Although sometimes work forces me to take a full week or two away from formal training, we have a few katas that fit very well inside a hotel room.

Personally I feel you train as much as you are unhappy with your technique, I am a perfectionist and tend not to care how strange people look at me, therefore will find any spare moment to throw in techniques while attempting to keep a social life.
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#173429 - 08/22/05 08:31 PM Re: How much should you train? [Re: Christie]
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Im doin 1 lesson a week in shotokan but i practice throughout the day. 5 mins here, 10 there, it all adds up. I also think its good to perform all the kata you know 2 times slowly before you go to bed because it relaxes you.
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#173430 - 08/23/05 05:21 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: Shotokan_Nut]
xamax Offline
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i trained like let me see minimum 3 to 6 hours a week (at dojo) it is crazyyyyyyyyyy. but to be honest you have to consider what is important first. martial arts is fun but u cant' just ignore everything else.

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#173431 - 08/23/05 07:24 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: xamax]
hugo Offline
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Loc: I am not going to specify that...
I agree, Sanchin you are an inspiration to us all. Personally I believe that trainign should all depepnd on you. You need 1 free day to do your things in be it housework or leisure time. The rest is really up to you. Many train 7 days a week. Many train 1. it's your personal decision as no amount is right or wrong it's just right or wrong for you. I'm not qualified in karate as i partake in judo not Karate but I couldn't help noticing your topic and this is my opinion.

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#173432 - 08/23/05 07:25 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: SANCHIN31]
hugo Offline
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Loc: I am not going to specify that...
Added this one to favourites so I can read your reply.
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#173433 - 08/23/05 07:44 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: PierrePressure]
JasonM Offline
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I just wanted to comment on using family as targets. When I was younger and heavily into training, I used to whip up side kicks and see how close i could get to the person. WELL, my brothers girlfriend was the victim and while I was throwing a flutter of kicks, she leaned forward. Knocked the heck outta her, but she was fine. Luckily, I noticed her getting close, and pulled a little bit..:) Has anyone use light switches are targets? God, I remember always trying to turn light on and off with Mae Geri.

Just wanted to share..

And I train about 3x a week for an hour at formal class. On the off days i trying to traing on my own, but it gets hard with the fanmily. Luckily, all 4 of my kids are training too.
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#173434 - 08/23/05 09:23 AM Re: How much should you train? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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'Balance and training.'

I am on the light side, but my efforts on 'balance' focus on integration. Either it is integrated as a healthy 'way of life'...or it is an obsession.

'Training' for me does not focus solely on the physical. Training encompasses mind, body and spirit and it is a constant. When not physically engaged, then it is working on the other two. For me, whether it is working, making dinner, washing dishes, or dealing with crisis ...the effort is feeding back into my training.

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Like everyone else I try to balance my karate training,work,family,entertainment,etc..So how much should one train to become good at self defense? I realize that it is the quality that matters and not the quantity,so how much quality time? How much time do you spend now practicing your art?



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#173435 - 08/23/05 12:12 PM Re: How much should you train? [Re: harlan]
shoshinkan Offline
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some examples of good karate -

physical,

dojo training (to learn), conditioning, good diet, good sleep paterns, good presentation and clenleness

mental

meditation (for mushin), research/history, keeping level headed during training re kumite/partner work, gradings

spiritual

keeping in good spirit, keeping right sized, paying respects to students, instructors and the dojo/art


Its all karate and as always a balance of these things is good for long term development/improvement and to be able to sustain a healthy interest.
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